Watch/Guard Dogs

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Dobies are great!! I think you would be happy with one as they tend to stay out of the way around the house, hiding in corners under tables etc. They are quite loyal and great family pets. That said, my next dog will be a Rhodesian Ridgeback. Anything that hunts lions has to be tough.:D
 
Properly trained most breeds make a good guard dog if you just want them to bark.

My Bull Mastiff gives most of the delivery guys brown stains in their shorts. A serious intruder would be forced to shoot him or run. There really is no way for any normal sized person to deal with him on a physical level.
 
+1 We have a 140lb Bullmastiff & a Pit & pit/Lab mix, I've always wondered what would happen if someone was dumb enough to cross the line, more so if we werent home.
 
I can't say this holds true for all but my two mutts are great watchdogs. My wife and I got them off death row. I think being possibly mistreated, living on the streets and then in pound they see home as a paradise and are very willing to defend it. the little one (50 lbs) is the most attentive and the big guy (120 lbs) looks like he wants to eat you but really only wants to play.
 
good point Griz,
Both mine are rescue dogs also,They are very greatful to have a family. Sad stories for both. The rotty was found at 2 months old, abandoned in an apt my daughter was cleaning up. Been with us 2 years now.
The beagle was at a yard sale, 10 yrs ago, and the man running it kicked at him, for barking. Well back then I could back up my bad attitude a little better than I can now. I told him kick that dog one more time and Im gonna kick you, the wife had my back. He looked at me and her, thought better of pursuing the issue, and said if you like the dog so much take him. So I did.
 
My mutt, Wrex, also came from a shelter. Not quite death row, it was a no kill shelter. He was about 11 months old when I got him and had actually been through the shelter once before. Im guessing he wasn't treated well before as he has some separation anxiety and FREAKS whenever he sees a gun. It doesn't matter if I'm just holding it or if its laying on the bed. The day I took him home, he fell asleep in the car within the first five minutes. I truly think mutts, for the most part, have the best temperments and fewer health problems than purebreds.
 
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Bikerdoc---
I got a golden retriever the same way only she was gettin thrown against a tree. Keep the shiny side up!! and have a great x-mas.

Also I had a chance to get a 2 year old german shepard that had only seen three people, my boss his wife and their daughter, his whole life. I bet he would be an excellent guard/watch dog for THEM which is why I passed on him.
 
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Any terrier will work...

I agree.. I've had a lot of dogs, even one Schutzen 3 German Shepherd that was as pretty as he was intimidating. But it always worried me that he didn't seem to have quite enough ability to distinguish threats from non-threats.

Rat Terrier types just seem to have a sixth-sense about "going off" only when appropriate. They make great perimeter-alarms.

Les
 
I love the photos of the Dobies...that PBT mix looks like a good friend as well...I definitely miss having dogs( having had several of both breeds over the years);but my current residence does not allow for dogs among the tenants.
 
n the dog world, the consensus king of guardian and estate protection dogs is the fila brasiliero. You'll only need one. They are bred for guarding against human intruders, and have quite the formidable reputation. Very faithful to family, extremely distrustful of all strangers, and utterly fearless. If you invite a lot of friends and strangers over though, the breed will not be for you.

A fila is a not a dog I would want to keep if I lived in the city or around other people. They are good at their jobs just like Malinois but both dogs are for a select crowd IMO.

Watch dogs and guard dogs are too different things. The task each preforms is different. A small yappy dog is great for a watchdog. It sounds like you want a watch dog. Any dog that barks when people approach will work for that. I prefer a large well trained dog as a visual deterrent. Having a mean dog is a liability and more likely to cause problems than prevent them IMO. A well trained well socialized dog is very effective as a deterrent. If you want a true protection dog be prepared to invest a lot of time and money. Various breeds are more naturally territorial and protective though.
 
I used to have a shepherd mutt that thwarted two o'dark thirty goblins in her time with us. She's gone now and has been for a while. I still call her replacements by her name occasionally and I haven't met a dog as good as her yet.

I don't think I'll ever find a worthy replacement. I like seeing peoples dogs on this thread and wanted share some of my own anecdotes. From a guard dog point of view, barking is required. It can be annoying if you have a family of raccoons use your yard as a throughway, but once you clear them out, they only bark when it matters.

Knowing the difference between the "it matters" bark and the "doesn't matter" bark are on you the owner. There is a difference.

jeepmor
 
I’m more interested in their ability to hear sounds, bark like crazy, etc, but I don’t really much care about the dog’s ability to take down an intruder.

In that case, no need for a big dog. Terriers will bark their fool heads off at the slightest thing out of whack.
 
Right now we have an 85 lb Boxer-Lab mix that is a rescue dog. She is also the most loyal protetcive dog I've ever seen. Just last month 2 religious solicitors (damn mormons) knocked on the door, I ignored the knock having seen them coming up the walk, the dog stood up and looked at the door but only barked a couple times. Then the pushy bastards actually opened my front door and started to stick their heads in, even after hearing what I would describe as an aggressive growl from the dog. The lead guy yells, "Hello, we're from the" and then the dog was on them. I never expected she would react like that but she closed the distance from the living room to the front door in two bounds growling like she was out for blood. She was coming so hard the guys are lucky they got the door shut, my dog actually ran full force into the door, got up and tried again. The religious solicitors (damn mormons) ran like the wind. My neighbors have thinked me profusely as there have been no door knockers in our neighborhood since.

My dog's getting old though, so I'm trying to convince the wife we need an Irish Wolfhoud. Beautiful dogs but huge, some run up in the 225 pound range.
 
My lab mix is a terror. I believe the bitch has some Pit in her. She is AWESOME with good people but HATES bad folks and she has a great sense about her. She rarely barks (unlike my Shep) and when she does I look at her to see if her hackles are up. Usually if she is barking there is someone in the AO who does NOT belong there. She is loyal and smart. Plus she is small, weighing in at 45 pounds. The only thing better in my mind is a well trained Mal or Rottie.
 
I have had two standard poodles. One of the smartest dogs, Very protective, and will learn the difference between a sound that require a bark or not. My dog is not a guard dog only a watch dog, and family pet. We have a routine perimeter check and he follows me, He knows bullets come from my gun, and he doesn’t want to stand in front of me. He will bark and then listen, if I am there with him he looks for me to give him a command or hand signal usually a signal to be quiet and listen for another noise. We have him trained to be quiet after the first alert, at that point he stays ready and looks to go on the perimeter check or back to sleep. My theory is you will never hear the bad guy coming if your dog barks indiscriminately. They don’t shed, or smell and are fairly light weight 40-60 lbs. They are more brains then brawn but you didn’t seem to want an attack dog. They also love to hunt thus the German translation to “puddle” for the splashing and retrieving of water fowl. For those of you with Dobermans, they say they are very much alike except the poodle will not shed.
 
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My mother has a puggle and a boxer. The puggle is an unholy terror, but very good at barking at anyone coming to the door (when he is not outside hunting squirels). The boxer is a rescue dog, he is so big that he looks more like a bullmastiff. He is a horrible watchdog, but intimidates every dog and person who meets him. Which of course, is a cosmic joke because he is the biggest baby around.
 
Fila Brasileiros are definitely not for everybody or every situation. They excel at what they do, but without good fences and relatively limited exposure to lots of human traffic, there might be problems.

It's a common joke among Fila people that you need a small, alert dog in the husehold "to wake the sleeping Fila." There's a Brazilian terrier which is a natural companion to Filas, that you might want to look into. This from the website of one breeder I know and respect:

http://www.southlandfarms.com/html/introduction1.html

The Terrier Brasileiro (sometimes called the Fox Paulistinha) is one of only two dog breeds originating in Brazil; the other, of course, being our beloved Fila Brasileiro. The Terrier Brasileiro, much like the Fila, is descended from a blend of dogs brought by European settlers to Brazil with some of the strongest ties going back to Jack Russell and Fox Terriers as well as the Miniature Pincher. Although the dog has been well known in Brazil for many years, it was the dog of the "common people" and was not highly regarded as a "show dog". The main emphasis in breeding was on the intelligence and working ability of this lively breed, not on bloodlines and registration papers. The dog is prized as a vermin hunter, watch dog, herder, and loyal companion. It was (and is) often kept on the farms and estates as the "ear" to wake the sleeping Fila or other larger breed guardian when an intruder enters the home.

I was first introduced to the breed by an article in DogWorld magazine May 1992 and was taken with the relationship described between the Fila (my first love) and the Terrier. I had never been much of a "little dog" person, but the thought stayed in my mind and I often returned to re-read the article over the years. Finally, in 1994 I sat down and composed a letter to the Fox Paulistinha Club in Brazil and sent for more information on the breed. I have heard other Fila owners in the States talking about how well their Fila got along with the other smaller dogs in the household (often terrier breeds such as the JRT, Westies, or Patterdales) and I was curious. After many months, my information pack came from Brazil and I began to read more about the Terrier Brasileiro. In September 1996, I imported a pair of puppies from Taboao Kennels. Many of you who attended the Working Weekend and 1996 Nationals were able to see the pups firsthand.

The DogWorld article describes the relationship between the two Brazilian breeds as : "Property owners swear by the Paulistinha’s guarding abilities. Anyone who thinks a 20 pound terrier can’t be an effective guard dog should see the Paulistinhas in action. In packs, as they are commonly kept, they attack the intruder’s legs and jump up into his stomach to try to bring him down. This can prove to be especially lethal in combination with a Fila."

The Terrier Brasileiro was molded from the European and local terrier type dogs over the years from the early 1800’s into the early 1900’s when the terriers eventually acquired their distinctive looks. The name “Fox Paulistinha “ was used locally (translates as "little fox terrier of Sao Paulo") although the dog can be found throughout Brazil as the Terrier Brasileiro. These breeders originally sought CBKC recognition as early as the 1950’s and the breed was accepted into the CBKC and the official FCI standard was published in 1964. Over the years the breed has suffered through cycles of popularity and decline (as many breeds have) and in 1973 was even declared a "dead" breed with registrations being suspended. Loyal Terrier Brasileiro fanciers and breeders kept the stud books alive, and in fact the little Terrier was still very popular with the farmers and ranchers as a working terrier. Through the heroic efforts of Marina Vicari Lerario (now president of the Fox Paulistinha Club and author of the Fox Paulistinha book in Brazil ) and other breeders the CBKC re-opened the breed to registration in 1994. The dog has made an extraordinary comeback both in national popularity as well as internationally. The dog were represented for the first time at the 1994 World Show and have sparked keen interest in the breed with dogs being exported to Europe. The dog remains relatively unknown here in the States. To my knowledge there were less than 10 of the Terriers in America, until the birth of my first litter in 1998 increased the American population by 50 %.

The little dogs have been quite the experience for me. As the standard says, they are a "lively" dog (an understatement to say the least ). They are extremely active and curious, the smallest sound or movement does not escape their attention. They are excellent watch dogs and their barking does serve as additional warning to alert the Filas of the household to anything out of the ordinary. They retain their puppy playfulness through out their lives--almost seeming never to "grow up". As my introduction letter from Brazil put it "They are always joking me"---and that is a perfect description of this active little dog,. I have fondly taken to calling them "The Jokie Dogs" because they are never serious (unless on alert to some strange noise or movement) but constantly racing about playing "tag" or "hide-and-go-seek" with the family or just themselves. In Brazil, the Terriers have the reputation of "nanny" with the children of the family. Having three kids of my own, the Terriers have given my children something to show when we attend events with the Filas (Filas are NOT suitable for Juniors to show), as well as opening up a whole new world of "dog fun" with terrier oriented events such as racing, go-to-ground trials, and agility classes--all of which are perfectly suited for the Terrier Brasileiro.

hth,

lpl
 
I am lucky to have two great dogs. A german shepherd and a saint bernard. The shepaerd is responsible for the watch/guard duties but the bernard is great backup for him after all a 200lb puppy is simply massive and has a growl that will scare anybody when needed (I found out first hand one night when I snuck up on him, the last time I ever did that). But his overall demanor is sweet and playful and he's just a puppy. I'm 6'3 230 lbs and the dog will stand on two legs and look at me eye to eye. And he's a strong boy.

But the shepherd is the most loyal animal I've ever seen and would gladly give his life to protect anyone in my family. The dog rules the roast over the puppy and gives the pup 110 lbs and about 6 inches, but u would never know it watching it. But when someone is let into the house he becomes their best friend instantly and understands his role. The dog has scared many a person who came to the door unannounced or uninvited and that's just what I want. He has the regular bark and the bark that let's u know something is askew.

I truly love my dogs and the money spent to keep them was well worth it. Sadly the shepards time is coming and he could never be replaced. But the puppy will grow into his own role.
 
You need an alarm dog "pack":

My pack:

1. Full blooded Dachshund
2. Dachshund x Jack Russel
3. #1 crossed with a Jack Russel/Chiuaua cross

#3 has bionic ears, when he goes off they all go nuts. They have a radio fence surrounding the house and a doggy door. They love to patrol the property. I am really considering adding a Dobe just to give a better visual deterant.

If you get a Doxie I recommend the terrier cross. The cross have a little hybrid vigor with better health and back structure. Unless you spend big bucks most Doxie lines you find in the paper are weak/inbred, an outcross makes strong pups.


This is a great thread.
 
Get a Rat Terrier or Jack Russell Terrier, or Mountain Feist type of dog as they are intuitively appropriately-vigilant as watchdogs.

The "big-mean" dogs are as likely to kill a neighbor's kid as protect your home, and that sucks in so many ways. Black Labs, while I love them, are slap-happy doofuses that often don't know whether it's appropriate to bark-at or welcome a stranger.

Les
 
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