Weapons Policy

[rrruuunnn]

i operate 9 fast food restaurants. at the moment, our weapons policy prohibits all the common weapons and also the employer's right to prohibit concealed handgun permits.

do yall think i should let concealment holders bring their gun to work??

 

[Thernlund]

Ummm... yes.


-T.


EDIT: Actually, maybe better to not have a policy either way. Let employees choose by themselves.

 

[guntotinguy]

Absolutely...if its 'legal' and 'state' approved (CCW),it shouldnt be a problem,right?

 

[For Freedom]

I'd allow them to carry without permits.

 

[bogie]

I'd quietly reword the manual for the next revision to say something like "possession or illegal concealed carry of illegal weapons is grounds for termination."

You don't want folks not qualified, but you don't want to block out the folks who may be able to stop a "let's herd 'em all into the freezer" situation.

I wouldn't make a big announcement - anyone with a permit will be looking at that section of the stuff FIRST.

 

[TAB]

What does the franchise contract say?

if it says no, then no, if it does not mention it, its your call. Just make sure your INS will cover you.

 

[SomeKid]

If I could totally do things my own way, I would make it unrestricted.

If I had to play it quietly, I would say no illegal or illegally carried weapons to protect my backside.

 

[AirForceShooter]

just take out the restriction. Don't approve or disapprove.

AFS

 

[41magsnub]

I agree with TAB though IANAL and whatnot. You need to make sure you can really do this without exposing yourself to huge liability. After an incident when the robber/"victim" sues is not the time to find out your insurance and franchising company leave you on your own. Just the legal costs could be debilitating.

 

[romma]

Yup!

 

[Jeff White]

What's your insurance carrier say? I kind of doubt all the "carry anywhere, anytime" activists on an internet forum are going to indemnify you if your insurance carrier refuses to cover an incident. If your insurance carrier wants you to forbid them, then you should look for a new insurance carrier before you change the policy.

In a perfect world, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. A shooting incident where a lawsuit was brought against you could bankrupt you and put your family out on the street without insurance coverage. Check with your insurance company first.

Jeff

 

[bogie]

Just send them the whole employee manual, and ask if they can sign off on it.

Heh, heh.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

do yall think i should let concealment holders bring their gun to work??

Ummm ... Yes. The only question is why you would even bother to ask.

Why would you think it a good idea to abridge a person's right to defend him/herself? IMHO, if you don't allow your employees to carry, you have an affirmative duty to provide armed security teams at all times you have employees present in the buildings.

 

[ragntag]

i would say yes

 

[ZeSpectre]

i operate 9 fast food restaurants. at the moment, our weapons policy prohibits all the common weapons and also the employer's right to prohibit concealed handgun permits.

do yall think i should let concealment holders bring their gun to work??

You trust these folks enough to hire them. You entrust them with all of your property and business. Yet you still worry/wonder about folks with CCW permits?

 

[Mr White]

You had to ask?

 

[Picard]

Same old argument. Gun free zones are dumb. The only ones carrying concealed would be the ones with bad intentions. Can you imagine how you would feel if your restaurant got robbed and one of your workers or patrons died because nobody was able to carry?

In fact, if I were you, I would promote CCW license holders to carry to work.

 

[rrruuunnn]

i ask yall. because i wanted to hear yall. and thanks for everyones input including the ones that think i'm out of line.

dominos does not allow their drivers to carry because of liability. i'm worried if one of my workers shoots someone and hits an innocent bystander. i've already been warned on a lawyer forum that there is a risk. my lawyer said that one of his clients is in trouble because his employee used a collapseable baton on a customer.

 

[Robert Hairless]

You might want to ask your lawyer what duties you assume to enforce a policy when you make one.

What I mean is this.

Let's say you don't have a policy regarding concealed firearms by your employees and one of them shoots the first customer into your store on July 1. That customer's family sues you for something or other. Ask your lawyer whether that suit is likely to be for negligence: you had a duty and did not meet it. But what duty did you have? Are all employers required to frisk all employees throughout the day? Do employers issue CWPs or is that the state's responsibility? What, in other words, did you do wrong if you don't have a policy and one of your employees does wrong?

Now let's say you do have such a policy and one of your employees shoots that customer. Having made the policy, haven't you assumed the duty to ensure that your employees comply with it? How will you police your employees to make sure that they do?

If you have the policy but do not police your employees, and everybody sort of just winks at each other with the unspoken agreement that it's okay as long as they don't get caught, is there a plaintiff's lawyer in this country stupid enough to not demonstrate that you have assumed a duty and then breached the duty you assumed? Will you be lucky enough to be sued by that one stupid, incompetent plaintiff's lawyer?

 

[leadcounsel]

Yes, but you have to make them sign a document that discusses their privilege.

Include things like no brandishing, keep it concealed, no off body carry (like in a purse)...

And it would be smart to have a waiver of liability if there is an accident as a result of someone carrying.

 

[Right Wing Wacko]

As others have said; If you want to say anything, just say "No Possession of Illegal Weapons on company property".

 

[Ready2Defend]

Just make it plain in the employee manual that employees are not allowed to murder on company time or company property.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Does your company policy also prohibit customers from carrying firearms in any manner that is legal by state law?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Does your company policy also prohibit customers from carrying firearms in any manner that is legal by state law?

That's an interesting parallel. I obviously don't know about rrruuunnn's policy, but I can tell you from first-hand experience that this is precisely how Barnes & Noble operates. A few years ago I took a part-time job at a nearby B&N. On the Monday I started, I was handed a LARGE personnel policy manual with instructions to take it home, read it, and sign and return the acknowledgement page.

One of the policies was that employees are not allowed to have weapons in company property. They were going to use me for the closing shift. This store stayed open an hour later than any other business in the strip mall, and was located between two rather seedy neighborhoods. So rather than sign, I asked the manager if I could bring my handgun and keep it in my locker during the day. Nope.

So on Wednesday I tendered my resignation in writing, and Friday was my last day working for B&N. Customers are allowed to carry. I still go to that store because the newsstand in the real mall next door stopped carrying gun magazines. I usually see the manager and/or the assistant manager and they know I'm carrying. Nothing is ever said.