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Well, There Go the Jaguars

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Speedo66, Apr 5, 2009.

  1. Speedo66

    Speedo66 Well-Known Member

  2. I dont believe anything that the NYC folks say.

    There is always a Jag somewhere in the bush, they need to get out of that urban fantasy land more.
  3. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    I'm sure out along the Rio Grande and westward, there are Jaguar. Nobody thinks there are lion, cougar, around here, on the gulf coast of Texas, but I know people that are good outdoorsmen who have seen 'em. Cats are not easy to find. Even bobcats around here, as plentiful as house cats, are rarely actually seen OR trapped. They're wily critters. There was a family of 'em on my place this fall, saw the kittens one day sneaking around while sitting in the stand waiting for sunset or a deer. Cute little beggars.

    There's some really wild country out west and plenty of Jaguar population just across the border. I can't see how they wouldn't migrate north. And, yeah, NY Times? :rolleyes:
  4. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    Yep. There's no mountain lions in East Texas, either...

    Tell that to my mother, who got into a screaming match with one while walking one night down our old dirt road. She faced one not 10 feet from her and managed to scare it off.
  5. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    There have been a few reports of jaguar sightings in far southern Arizona. It is believed that they are transient from Mexico. So far as is known, the jaguar as a resident or breeding population has been extinct in the US for many decades.
  6. paintballdude902

    paintballdude902 Well-Known Member

    It's too bad. I'm not a fan of predators being reintroduced into semi urban environments but I'm a strong believer that any animal naturally here should stay

    They say we don't have panther(cougars puma what ever) but I have seen one I know several others that have too even know a guy that shot one. Strange how the state says we don't have them and they aren't native but if you shoot one I believe it's a felony

    Saw a wolf this year so I called wildlife guy olxame out because he was 10mins away he saw it too and took good pics of it. He called me a week later and said he looked into it and there's a lady 5 miles away that breeds them. Guy told me if I saw it nears the horses or live stock to shoot it
  7. ACBMWM3

    ACBMWM3 member

    Didn't even know we had jaguar!
    Learn something new everyday.
    Mountain Lions are seen around here all the time.
    One has visited my moms back yard quite a few times in the past. They are some big suckers.
  8. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    A mature jaguar is twice as heavy as a mature cougar. They've been known to get into a weight range of 300 to 400 pounds, down in South America. Regardless, even in the long ago they seem to have been uncommon in the U.S.

    In the brush country along the lower Rio Grande, they occasionally see the jaguarundi, which is smaller than a cougar.

    I think the neatest of all of the wild cats is the margay. About the size of a large housecat, they make neat pets. They do love heights, though, and are happy to drop from the top of a door or from a shelf onto your shoulders in a sort of, "Hi, there!" greeting. "Startling" is a good descriptive term. :D
  9. jimmyraythomason

    jimmyraythomason Well-Known Member

    Are they here?

    Don't ask the state wildlife officials:scrutiny:about the presence of the big cats. If you want to know,ask the farmers. We have had cougars and "black panthers" in Alabama all my life(I'm 56) as well as black bears but the wildlife officials want us to believe that it is a case of mistaken identity whenever a sighting is reported. Most sightings go unreported because of the ridicule from those same officials. I have personally seen 3 cougars and many tracks as well so no one can tell me they aren't here.:banghead: Are the Jaguars still in the U.S.? Don't ask the USFWS,ask a farmer.
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2009
  10. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Friend and I were out in the driveway getting ready to go goose hunting at 4AM end of December when I heard a "meow" from across the street. I called the thing thinkin' it was my mama cat. Well, this little male kitten comes running and rubbin' up on me. Someone had dumped it, I guess. So, it's been here ever since. Thing was even already box trained. Anyway, I got to lookin' at it and it looks like a danged Ocelot. Very pretty cat. I had to look Ocelots up on the net to get a picture. It doesn't have the white on the ears, but sure is colored similar to an Ocelot otherwise. Ocelots are another cat who's range has always seemed to end just this side of the Rio Grand down in the valley. They're smaller than Bobcats and more tameable. They're very pretty cats.

  11. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Damn things won't run 1000 miles without going to the mechanic, anyway.
  12. jimmyraythomason

    jimmyraythomason Well-Known Member

    Yeah,ArmedBear..but it has a V12!
  13. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Ah, a GSXR1000 will kick it's butt, is a lot more reliable, and easier to own anyway. AND, it does better stand up wheelies. :neener:

    There's a Jag down the street for sale, been there for a couple of years. I figure the gas has gone bad by now. LOL Not a car I've ever been interested in. Now, THIS, maybe.....


  14. jimmyraythomason

    jimmyraythomason Well-Known Member

    Has anyone here PERSONALLY seen some of these ("non-existant" in the area) cats or other animals? I gave my sightings above,how 'bout you?
  15. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    I have a friend that's seen two cougar near here. One was across the bay near his home at 3AM when his dog was barking wildly and he went to check. Said it was pacing around a street lamp. He was in a rather wild area, no one around him there, all brushy. He saw the other on 3 acres of land he had that bordered the fence line of Aransas NWR. He said the place was long and skinny and he had bought it just to put a stand on and catch the deer traffic to and fro. He got his deer every year, so I guess it was a good 3 acres, LOL. He saw it when deer hunting there one morning. I've not laid eyes on one myself. They are rare around here, I have no doubts, but there has to be a viable, reproducing population in or around the refuge I'll betting. There are huge numbers of prey species down there, of course. Lots of deer, hog, javelina, etc, etc. Now, over across the bay, there has been a lot of chemical plant development since then and maybe not anymore. Habitat has been drastically reduced. I hated to see all that happen. But, that's a long story.
  16. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Oh, one morning heading out after graveyards about 25 years ago I saw a friggin' cock pheasant. That one blew me away a bit as we have no pheasant. Found out later that Texas Parks and Wildlife had released some on a nearby ranch, but they didn't make it. Fire ants tore 'em up.
  17. Rembrandt

    Rembrandt Well-Known Member

    How long did they expect Jaguars to survive in the area without a breeding partner?.....the cats number was up years ago.

    I did have one in my drive a few years back.....fast and smooth!

  18. stonecoldy

    stonecoldy Well-Known Member

    McGunner, any chance that your cat is a Bengal?
    I have one, has a pretty similar pattern to Ocelot (depending on the breeder).
    They are a cross between a wild Leopard cat (from Asia) with a domestic short haired tabby cat. You have to get a couple generations apart to make them settle down.
    They can be pretty affectionate, our cat follows me around and is a good companion. Sort of like a dog that coughs up fur balls on the furniture.
    He was supposed to be a family pet but I think I'm gonna be stuck with him when the kids move out.
    Sharp looking animal. Has a fur pattern similar to a Clouded Leopard. Climbs on everything (can jump from the floor up to the top of the refrigerator).
  19. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Some neighbors have a "take-up kitty" that's a Bengal. Definitely aerial. Into everything, on top of everything, and seriously loving toward them. The big problem is that when being petted, he drools. :D

    My wife has had three sightings of cougars around Thomasville, GA during the last dozen or fifteen years. Some folks derided her imagination. She pointed out that with a full hide draped over the back of our couch, she darned well knows what they look like and how big they are. End of derision,
    via the "Oops!" method.
  20. .45Guy

    .45Guy Well-Known Member

    It's kind of odd how some criiters are being driven to extinction and some are making a comeback. Here in the last week I've seen 4 roadkill mink on route 20. Since fur prices tanked, all the little critters are coming back with a vengeance. And now we have 'yotes running loose on the back 40...

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