What did I buy? Did I get taken?

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I think the only thing budget about the express is the fit and finish, stocks, and trigger group. Just looking at the picture I think it has the plastic trigger group. Also you have a different finish with the armor tuff and phoshate coating on the barrel. Your stock is upgraded too so that's not an issue.

I'm not sure about the armor tuff finish. Like I said that was what I found with a quick ten second search. I bet if you did some digging you could find some decent reviews. Probably more on some 1911's refinishes using it.

Wilson accessories are expensive. I looked on their order form and to retrofit your own 870 express to the border patrol package is $700. I'm guessing a new express would be somewhere around $300, then you have to add another $165 for the knoxx stock, side saddle upgrade and still mail and wait time. So that's what? $1165. $50 bucks more not including shipping.

Here are some of the accessories from Wilson if you did it your self.
express 12ga $300+ or -
case $70
magazine extension $45
Hi viz follower $7
Heavy duty spring $8
Over sized safety $15
Sidesaddle $32
Ghost ring sights $115
CCB sling $45
Armor tuff finish $250
Knoxx stock $135

That's $1022, with out any gunsmithing work, and or labor costs.
Are some of the things overpriced. Yeah, and you could find them cheaper somewhere else but how much would shipping or gas money add if you got them all separate.

Do you really need all of them? NO, but if you got the money and that's what you want then why not it's your money?

From what I read Wilson does do some work to the 870's internals to ensure reliability too.

I copied this from a magazine review I found on the Ultra tech 870 that had the border patrol package installed on a base 870 express.

To ensure total reliability -- a hallmark of Wilson-tuned firearms -- the gunsmiths hone the slide action bars and ensure they are straight and parallel. The bolt is checked for smooth operation and the ejector and extractor are inspected for correct fit and function. There is not an awful lot that can go wrong with an 870, which is why it is the favored police shotgun of all time, but Wilson's skilled technicians make double-certain everything checks out.

Hope that helps you feel a little better about your purchase. Yeah you probably could have got it cheaper, or used cheaper products that may function just as good if you had done your homework but we all learn from our mistakes.

From what you said about your neighbor's bear encounter then your life just might depend on it's reliability someday. You might want to look in to getting some hard cast slugs also and practice.

Another thing I would do if my life depended on it would be to shoot a wide range of ammo through it. I'm talking slugs, magnums, and cheap wal-mart value packs (Winchester bulk aluminum base) just to make sure it won't choke on anything at all. The biggest complaint about the express's reliability is that it may need the chamber honed and polished if shells are hard to extract. Wilson may do that too but I didn't read that anywhere.
 
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Thanks for the information Hub. It seems like the first 11 or so replies that I got were basically saying "Yes, you were taken for a ride ...

That does indeed seem to be something of a consensus but honesty would compel me to admit that I don't understand it. 'Course I'm a guest in the shotgun forum and am more of a 1911 guy.

I do believe that if you announced that you had ponied up 2,600.00 for a Wilson CQB in the semi-auto forum there would be high fives all around and few that thought you overpaid.

A remark such as "the only part of the wilson thats even has a point is the extended mag..." that goes mostly unchallenged in "shotguns" would draw notice if something along the lines of "the only part of the wilson CQB thats even has a point is the ambi safety and Wilson mag..." were to be dropped in the handgun forum.

It appears you paid a good price for the product - it's not like the dealer got to hose anyone - he didn't get it for any raging bargain from Wilson.

I don't know what the prevailing attitude would be in the rifle forum if someone said they spent 2,000.00 for a Wilson M4TAQ.

My only guess is that the DIY spirit lives deeper in the souls of shotgunners. Also there has been, at least in my humble estimation, an overabundance of tactical threads here of late and some may be experiencing burnout or at least questioning whether this or that gizmo is worth the prevailing tariff or, for that matter, even if the gizmo is desirable.

But if it's something you wanted, and it evidently is, Wilson doesn't come cheap. It's not like someone bought an 870 Express, put it in a box with a double fistful of parts that belong on an airsoft, added some Krylon, shook it until it looked like an ad for a 590A1 then hid in the bushes until you came along.
 
This thread is worthless without pictures.

I think you paid the MSRP and I hope you like it! I use a $100 Norinco...but it's probably not quite as pretty as your Wilson:D

~Norinco
 
I am on the I wouldn't have page. I also don't think you did bad though. Look at all of the Benelli M4s out there that go for several hundred more. Your gun is just as well built maybe better I would prefer your gun over an M4. HD shotguns are not my thing though.

This thread is worthless without pictures
Yeah lets see it.
 
It should probably be noted that Wilson MSRPs are more closely related to Ed Brown, Les Baer and Nighthawk MSRPs than Remchesterberg's MSRPs.

Discounts are known to exist but you will play merry hob trying to match the percentage discount one might find with a more widely distributed product - and generally hit dry wells.

FWIW, I have a roughly 2 kilobuck Dawson/STI which may not even be as pretty as a RIA and doesn't perform a function demonstrably different from a Hi-Point C40. Oddly enough, I don't have a single particle of buyer's remorse and don't recall ever having any - at least not after the second case of ammo.

I'm no expert on Wilson ne Scattergun Tech's stuff but there seems to be a claim they've slicked up something already deemed pretty slick - put a skid of flats through the thing and post pics.
 
sorry, you still got taken.

Sell it now, sell it quick, and wash your hands of pricey pumps.
 
After thinking about it later I got serious buyer's remorse because I am afraid that all I really got was a Remington Express with a few extra bells and whistles that I could have put together for a lot less than $1,200.

No you got a custom gun which will hold its value or increase, a cheap 870 is always going to be just a cheap pump.

Use your Wilson enjoy the Tac-coolness if that's your thing, and in a few years if you so desire to sell you shouldn't get hurt with the price.

That is if you paid cash for it.
 
I find it is typically a bad idea to buy things on an impulse... especially if it is over A GRAND!!!!
 
take it out and get very familiar with it. Shoot it a lot. Then go borrow someone's 870 express and shoot it a bit. You will tell the difference. Maybe you didn't need it. Maybe you could have built one a little cheaper. But you got a good gun, a very good gun. Don't despair.
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That does indeed seem to be something of a consensus but honesty would compel me to admit that I don't understand it. 'Course I'm a guest in the shotgun forum and am more of a 1911 guy.

I do believe that if you announced that you had ponied up 2,600.00 for a Wilson CQB in the semi-auto forum there would be high fives all around and few that thought you overpaid.

Let me explain...

The shotgun forum is filled with people who MUST have a side-by-side (even though they've never shot one before), want a good one, and have a maximum budget of $300.

It's also full of people who are desperately looking for a store that has Chinese knock-offs because they're a few dollars cheaper than real 870s.

Furthermore, people who want to buy a $3000 gun for $300 take PERSONAL OFFENSE when informed that they really can't do that.

Of course, some of us Sporting Clays shooters would spend our last $2600 on an over-under, but wouldn't spend that on any semi-auto with a rifled barrel if we won the Powerball.
 
I've got about $850 in my custom 870, and while the result is envied I wouldn't go that route again considering I could get a better shotgun for the same or a little more money, right out of the box.
 
Thanks for the information Hub. It seems like the first 11 or so replies that I got were basically saying "Yes, you were taken for a ride and you are a complete idiot" and after that other members were saying that Wilson Combat does more than just tack on a few whistles and bells to a Remington 870 Express when they customize their shotguns and maybe I didn't get totally ripped off after all. I would still like more details on what exactly Wilson Combat "upgraded" within the shotgun other than the improved follower (a six dollar item) and the heavier duty spring in the magazine. What other budget Express parts, if any, did they upgrade? For instance, is the entire trigger group aluminum like the Police 870? Regardless, I will enjoy it and get good with it. In addition to some people with drinking and drug problems in my very remote area, we have wild animals that can attack without warning. Last month the guy in the cabin next to me had to shoot a seven foot bear that was breaking down his door to get to him. He fired one shot from an old, poorly maintained, low budget rifle before it jammed but he was lucky enough to get the bear through the heart with that shot or he would have been breakfast. I decided I needed something better than my revolver.
Seeing as you have great reason to have a reliable long gun...I wouldn't have any buyer's remorse over getting a dependable shotgun. Part of being a good tactical practitioner is having faith in your equipment.
 
I think you got screwed, but then that's just me...YMMV
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Maybe he did, but I've also been guilty of spending more than $1215 on a custom 1911 I didn't need and my life didn't depend on. I could have gotten a mil-spec Springfield, a Taurus pt 1911 or a RIA for around $400-$500 that would probably function just fine and be plenty accurate for what I need so I guess I got screwed too but that's what I wanted and I had the money to spend.

What's the point, the 1911 like the 870 is good design, and it's been around for a long time. That doesn't mean it can't be better by being made more attractive, accurate, and reliable by a good custom shop. If a custom shotgun is what your into and want to spend your money on then why not?

If you did the upgrades yourself for half the cost of the Wilson you would just have another bubba'd up tacticool 870. How much is that really worth? I really don't think you could get half the money you put into upgrades back out of it. Just because the side of the receiver says scattergun technologies it will always be worth a lot more in resale value weather it's more effective or not.
 
Let me explain...

The shotgun forum is filled with people who MUST have a side-by-side (even though they've never shot one before), want a good one, and have a maximum budget of $300.

It's also full of people who are desperately looking for a store that has Chinese knock-offs because they're a few dollars cheaper than real 870s.

Furthermore, people who want to buy a $3000 gun for $300 take PERSONAL OFFENSE when informed that they really can't do that.

Of course, some of us Sporting Clays shooters would spend our last $2600 on an over-under, but wouldn't spend that on any semi-auto with a rifled barrel if we won the Powerball.

EGGZACKLY!

OP - if you like it, and the expenditure didn't hinder your ability to meet your regular life compulsory expenditures, then you did good.

Too many folks here seem to think that anyone who spends more than $200 on a shotgun got taken - most have no comprehension about barrel regulation on O/U's or SxS's, have to look up what Bulino means, or understand the point of proper fit.......

Besides, you can always sell it if the buyer's remorse is THAT bad. IMO, you bought, go shoot it and have some fun with it
 
I think people on this thread fall into two groups. The first are the jealous and the cheap. They claim the OP got screwed because they can't afford or would never imagine spending that much on a gun. They will claim that their much cheaper gun with all the tactical add ons is just as good.

The second are the people who understand quality and will pay for the additional handfitting, improved parts, better functioning of a gun that has been gone over by some of the best tactical shotgun people in the business.

I don't think the OP got screwed at all. Wilson Combat does good work.
 
... have to look up what Bulino means, ...
Eating disorder, right? ;)

Some of the folks commenting negatively about the amount of money spent have forgotten more about tactical shotguns than I'll ever know.

But, I would respectfully submit that some of this is simply a communication issue. To me "taken" in the context of "Did I get taken?" means paying 300.00 for a Jennings .25 or 499.99 for a Hi-Point C9 or paying 40,000.00 more than your neighbor did for the exact same current model Chevy Malibu.

Being "taken" does not mean buying a Cadillac - it means spending twice what you should have for the Cadillac. The OP bought a Cadillac and paid the right price for it. The debate seems to have drifted into whether or not the purchase was extravagant or whether the Cadillac could have been built in one's own garage out of a '78 Camaro, a half ton of fiberglass and a cart full of Pep Boys parts which is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

Within nickels and dimes, he did not pay more than anyone else would have for the exact same product. Hence, not taken.
 
What did I buy? Did I get taken?

you bought a high-end custom HD gun. you paid approximately the going rate for same. so i would not say you got taken; you may have simply bought more gun than you really needed. however, if the point of owning guns is to buy the cheapest one that will get the job done, i think several of us are going to need to turn in our memberships.
 
I'd say you did ok. Had you hunted around you may have beaten that price by maybe a hundred bucks.

But for what you got, which is one of the best 870 builds there is? I wouldn't feel a bit bad about it.

This isn't an express with a bunch of ATI crap hung on it guys. This is a purpose built rough use 870.
 
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