What if the 1st amendment was treated like the 2nd?

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1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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What if we treated the 1st amendment the way we treat the second amendment? The first amendment of course covers many freedoms, speech, religion, the press, peaceful assembly and the ability to petition the government over grievances, so let's look at them one at a time.

Freedom of speech.
Well what if we started limiting that freedom just like we limit the "right to keep and bear arms" even though the constitution clearly states that it shall not be infringed, we have anyway. How about we slap the same restrictions on the freedom of speech then. Since there are an astounding amount of gun laws purposefully written in a format that can be interpreted in many different ways, we'll need to limit our scope to a few of the big ones.

Carrying a firearm on your person. Here in California you're only allowed to carry a firearm on your person when away from your home if you get a special permit* to carry one. In your home you are allowed to carry a firearm wherever you want, loaded, unloaded, concealed or open in a holster. So by that rationale, I think that when you are home you should be allowed to say whatever you want whenever you want, but once you leave your house you are not allowed to speak in public unless you have a permit.

If you are caught speaking in public without a permit, you face felony charges and should not be surprised when the cops show up, and have you face down on the pavement as they read you *their* rights since you don't really have any anymore as the burden of proof is on you. You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent in court, so suck it up you're going to jail for speech violation buddy. Once you're convicted, you will lose the ability to speak in public again for at least 10 years.

Generally, to speak in public you'll need to go to a special speaking range. But first you'll need to pay the rangemaster a fee to use their range to speak. You will only be allowed to speak for about 3hrs, because it can be unhealthy to breathe all that contaminated air and the government will not allow you to subject yourself to any danger, note seatbelt and helmet laws. NOTE: There are cities in California that have actually banned public smoking, trans fat(!!!) and plastic bags. I am not joking, look it up. (San Fran, Mountain view, et al)

In fact, in order to get the license to speak in public, you'll have to take a special training course, pay a bunch of fees to the state, and then have your request reviewed by the local sheriff who will decide if he/she thinks you should have the right to speak in public. If so, you'll need to pay more fees and renew your license every year, showing it to whatever authority demands you present it if caught speaking in public.

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I Do XXX know what that would look like it would probably XXX be good and XXXXXXXXX for freedom. The government does XXX always have our best interest at heart and sometimes is just interested in XXXXXXXXX XXXXX helping the people be free for it's own sake.
 
You could...

Only pray at home, sanctioned place of worship, or with a special permit.

Books could only have 10 pages, because no decent person needs more than 10 pages to explain themselves.

You would have "reasonable" restrictions on your vocabulary.

Children’s bibles, torahs, qurans, et all would have to be bright orange so that no one could confuse them real bibles….
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ou would get 5 years for possessing any news paper that the Gub’ment didn’t approve of.

The founders only intended for publishers and newspapers to have 1A rights.

The president could, theoretically, proclaim himself God, and then force us to worship him.
 
we also have our rights of the people peaceably to assemble violated regularly when police decked out in riot gear break up such assembly as the LAPD did in MacArthur Park.

It's the beginning of Government run amuck.

As our ellected officials, Antonio Villaragosa, as an example will not let us see his Gov. e-mail. Who does he thing he is? GW? Chaney? What gaul these elected officials have. Perhaps an amendment to the state and federal constitution that Campaign promises will be subject to the same accountability as truth in lending laws and advertizing fraud and hold them liable when they fail to live up to their advertised campaign promises?

Time to take back out country while we still can.
 
If you were merely accused of speaking rudely to someone at home, you would lose your rights to free-speech - you might even lose your professional livelihood and be sent to federal prison a la Dr Tim Emerson
 
Something I wrote sometime back:

In order to more fully inform the loyal subjects (you are loyal, aren’t you?) of the Washington Empire, the following 21st century interpretation of the First Amendment is provided:

Many uneducated, uninformed, ignorant, and otherwise defective persons have had the mistaken notion that “the right of the people” refers to an individual and personal right. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

For example, it has been falsely asserted that “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances” convey some supposed right of various individuals to gather in one location without permission to complain and/or harass the overworked and underpaid servants who toil ceaselessly in their behalf to provide security and comfort to the masses.

All educated and enlightened scholars now realize that “the right of the people to assemble” in this case refers to the right of the state and federal legislative bodies to meet and enact restrictive laws for the betterment of the country. It does not convey a right to everyone to assemble, only the duly elected representatives of the people. As long as some people have the right to assemble, the constitutional provision is being satisfied.

It is simply too dangerous for common, uneducated, and unenlightened persons to gather together in large numbers (such as more than ten, unless they had already gathered prior to 1984). Someone could get hurt.

Obviously, this “right of the people” is also limited in the other clauses of the First Amendment, such as the ability of congress to make laws abridging the freedom of speech. This restriction does not hinder the ability of the congress to abridge the freedom of speech of individuals, but only that the congress shall not abridge the freedom of speech of the members of the state and federal governing bodies, and certain other approved groups of persons, such as responsible journalists.

Free speech is just simply too dangerous to be allowed to the common people. Who knows when some wacko fruit cake could just lose it and suddenly start shooting off his white male mouth about some paranoid fears of the benevolent government which you are all so fortunate to have looking out for your best interests?

Again, as long as congress, the state legislative houses, and certain nationally recognized and responsible journalists have the right of free speech, the constitutional provisions of the First Amendment are being met. It is not necessary for all to have the right of free speech, as long as some have such a right.

Now that you have been properly informed, it is presumed that you will not be causing any more trouble.
 
You have to buy books from federally licensed dealers, and only in your home state.

Laws regarding possession of books vary wildly from state to state. In places like NYC and the District of Columbia, you might as well not bother.

Walmart only sells boring stuff, like cookbooks.
 
Some very good points...Bottom line is that the constitution only works for our elected officials when it is convenient for their agenda.

If I hear another congresscritter or judge tell me that the constitution is a "living, breathing, always changing with the times document", i will probably see Art's Grammaw at my door with a bar of soap, after I am done spouting off about it.:)
 
2nd Amendment logic:
You see, when the founders crafted the 2nd amendment, they could never have foreseen M-16s, AK-47s, Galils, and other weapons. These weapons are responsible for thousands of unlawful rebel actions, murders, terrorist acts, and other mayhem worldwide.
The founders could only have imagined the muzzle-loading smoothebore, and applying it to modern weapons is dangerous, irresponsible, and outside the scope of the Constitution. Therefore, that is what the 2nd amendment applies to. Additionally, it applies only to a collective right to arms. Therefore, you can keep whatever smoothebore muzzleloaders you want at the State-run armories.

1st Amendment logic:
You see, when the founders crafted the 1st Amendment, they could never have foreseen typewriters, word processors, computers, cell-phones, televisions, newspapers, and other modern instruments of mass-communication. These instruments are used to conduct bank fraud, credit card fraud, wire fraud, child pornography, child sexual solicitation, they are used by crime organizations to coordinate jury tampering, money laundering, murder, and drug trafficking/sale, they are used by terrorists to coordinate acts that have killed thousands in the past and will kill thousands in the future.
They could only have imagined the pen and parchment paper, and applying to modern communications devices is dangerous, irresponsible, and outside the scope of the Consitution. Therefore, that is what the 1st amendment applies to. Additionally, it applies only to a collective right to arms. Therefore, you can say whatever you like through your State-run media outlets
 
I hate to say this, but the 1st Amendment is being treated like the 2nd right now. Prohibition zones? Muzzling political opponents? The legalization of civilian monitoring? Prohibition of political speech? The list goes on and on... No, it's not as bad in certain respects, but in others, it's much, much worse.
 
Word processors are limited to 10K of memory

There is no need whatsoever for you to have a hi-cap word processor. They are only good for spraying hateful letters at high speed.
 
It's always useful to compare the 2nd amendment to the 1st, especially for those that see the Constitution and Bill of Rights as "living documents" that should be interpreted according to the conditions we live in today. The 1st amendment works best, because it's the only one that most everybody has any familiarity with. :(
Marty
 
The scarier question, what if the 2nd amendment was treated like the tenth. Eek.
 
The scarier question, what if the 2nd amendment was treated like the tenth. Eek.

Then we would all be able to pick up our personal nuclear warhead at the local grocery store? :uhoh:

Either that, or sharp sticks would land you in jail :evil:
 
In some states, your mouth must be covered when speaking. Accidental exposure of your mouth, may lead to criminal prosecution.

In other states, local sheriff has the authority to issue a "speaking" permit, valid for 30 days... oh, it may take up to 6 months to issue, and you need to inform the sheriff what it is you want to talk about, so that he can validate your "need" to speak in public. Once you get the permit, before you can speak in public, you must make a quick call to "National Instant Speaker Check Database" to verify if your rights to speak haven't been revoked.

Of course, there are "shut the f**k up" zones, where only members of government can speak.

No speaking on airports/airplanes/schools/postoffices (which sucks when you need to buy a stamp).
 
The only way to make sure that that does not happen is to be ever watchful, ever prepared. All the while abridging the law as little as possible. Remember, those bolt-action 1900-vintage rifles still make excellent anti-spook guns when you get down to it. If it ever went haywire... Well, make sure you're a damn good shot. And be happy that many (if not most) of the people in our armed forces share our views: they have access to all that fancy government-only equipment. Like automatic weapons. And tanks. And 1980s-era computers. Oh, right, we were talking about how the government has access to better stuff than us. Basically what I'm saying is, while you lament about them cutting your rights, remember what you still do have, and learn to use it. And teach your children to use it. Because when the time comes, and it will, you will have the power to stop it. I pray that it is many generations before that is tested, but we may never know.
 
Basically what I'm saying is, while you lament about them cutting your rights, remember what you still do have, and learn to use it.

Thank you! Sometimes, I think the defeatism on these boards is almost epidemic.
 
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