Autolycus
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and he doesnt like your attitude? What if he tries to take your gun like this kids skateboard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLYzho6Af_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLYzho6Af_o
What if you run into this cop...
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DJAteOhAte
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Be glad your friend had the camera rolling, that's what.
Autolycus
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I can agree to that.
Act respectfully, follow his commands, then afterwards report him to proper authorities and get a lawyer to file your law suit. There are jrks in every profession, and there are also people who act out of line in every profession whether regularly or just once in a blue moon. There are ways to deal with both depending upon the severity of their transgression(s).
All the ebst,
Glenn B
All the ebst,
Glenn B
Double Naught Spy
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Well, that would mean I was out shooting somewhere where shooting wasn't allowed and the cop had come over to tell me that it was illegal. I don't see that happening.
With that said, Officer Riviera, a 17 year veteran of Baltimore PD has been suspended for his actions/behavior as caught on video...http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.video14feb14,0,2584690.story
Skateboarder calls reaction over the top
By Brent Jones and Gus G. Sentementes | Sun reporters
February 14, 2008
Eric Bush, the 14-year-old skateboarder who has gained national fame after his encounter with a Baltimore police officer at the Inner Harbor surfaced on YouTube, said in his home yesterday that he knew at the time that what he was doing was "100 percent wrong."
But Bush added that the officer's reaction to his simple offense of skateboarding in a prohibited area was over the top and that if he had his way, Salvatore Rivieri would be without a job.
Rivieri, a 17-year veteran, was suspended by the Police Department pending an internal investigation after berating, manhandling and threatening Bush last summer.
"I don't feel sorry for him at all," Bush said.
Bush, meanwhile, has turned into a minor celebrity as a ninth-grader at Northeast High School in Anne Arundel County, where he said he was swarmed by the curious - teachers and students alike - while he walked the halls this week.
As of last night, more than 400,000 people had watched the video on YouTube since its posting Saturday. Bush and the cameraman, Tony Santo, 15, a 10th-grader at Northeast, have taped segments for two nationally broadcast shows and are expecting other interview requests before the end of the week.
Santo said they were originally going to post the video right after the incident but decided to wait because Bush's mother filed a complaint with police. Santo misplaced the video for months but recently found it.
Bush and Santo talked about the incident for 30 minutes from Bush's home in Curtis Bay yesterday evening, both stunned by how much attention it has garnered.
The video shows Rivieri putting Bush in a headlock, pushing him to the ground and threatening to smack him for what the officer says is a lack of respect.
Bush repeatedly refers to Rivieri as "dude" or "man" in the video.
"I started calling him 'dude' because I didn't know what else to say," said Bush, who has been skateboarding for four years. "I didn't think of calling him 'sir' or anything. I didn't know he was going to do that."
Bush said run-ins with police for skateboarding are nothing new for him and his friends. Two other boys were skateboarding that day at the harbor with Bush and Santo.
Santo said he sometimes uses a camcorder to tape his friends' conflicts with police because they find humor in getting yelled at by officers. But Santo added that shortly after they are told to leave, he and his friends leave, and that they were in the process of doing so at the harbor last summer.
"I was like, I can't believe I'm getting this on film," Santo said.
Bush said he did not hear the officer's orders to stop skateboarding, which were given before the 3 1/2 -minute video starts. Bush said he was wearing headphones and missed the command.
In the video, the teen tells Rivieri that he did not hear him, prompting the officer to tell Bush not to get defensive. Rivieri then tells Bush to not give him attitude or "I'll smack you."
Near the end of the video, Rivieri takes the skateboard before discovering the camera in Santo's hand. The video cuts off as Rivieri is asking Santo whether he's recording.
Santo said he held the camera near his thigh so that Rivieri would not realize he was being taped. Santo turned it off once Rivieri recognized the equipment.
"I didn't want to tell [Rivieri] it's on. He's already pushed [Bush] down," Santo said. "I'm afraid he's going to take the camera. He knows he did something wrong. If he didn't do something wrong, he wouldn't be asking about the camera."
Bush said that Rivieri allowed him to call his mother after the camera stopped recording and that Rivieri told Bush's mother that he was being disrespectful. Bush said Rivieri returned the skateboard and left a few minutes later.
The boys said they have not returned to the harbor, a popular place for skateboarding despite the prohibition against it.
"I was pretty scared," Bush said. "I was thinking he was going to do something else, punch me in my face."
The video's popularity has generated similar complaints from other skateboarders in the city.
Jon Tarburton, a 17-year-old senior at Dundalk High School, said he was with friends at the Inner Harbor on Feb. 3 when they encountered a police officer.
Tarburton said the officer drove up in a motorized cart and began yelling at them as they sat under a pavilion with their bikes. The officer told the teenagers to run, and as Tarburton was packing up his belongings, he said, the officer pointed a Taser in his face.
"He was like a mad man. I don't even know what was wrong with the guy," Tarburton said.
He said that before he could run away, the officer kicked him in the leg, and his leg crunched against his bike rim, breaking a portion of the wheel.
When he saw the video, Tarburton said he believed he recognized Rivieri as the officer who kicked him. He said he filed a complaint with the department's Internal Investigations Division on Monday and has yet to hear back about it. A law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation into Rivieri's actions said the department was looking into Tarburton's complaint.
Sterling Clifford, a Police Department spokesman, declined to comment on pending internal investigations, though he did confirm a second complaint had been filed against Rivieri since the YouTube video surfaced.
The source also said internal affairs detectives interviewed Santo, in the presence of his mother, to get additional details about what happened before and after the moments captured on video.
Actually, it was. His job is to enforce the law and public order. One aspect of that job is teaching respect for said law and order. Historically, this was done by setting a good example and being firm yet restrained. Unfortunately, this got tossed out the window some time ago.
Gunnerpalace
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Let's see here,
Skateboarding where he wasn't supposed to; Check
Does not bother me, this is not gun related, and the majority of skateboarders I know would be deserving of that treatment.
Skateboarding where he wasn't supposed to; Check
Does not bother me, this is not gun related, and the majority of skateboarders I know would be deserving of that treatment.
Double Naught Spy
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I don't recall the job of law enforcement involving any sort of teaching of respect. It isn't about respect for the law, just obedience to it. The officer wasn't even pressing respect for the law. He was just pissed because he felt the kid didn't respect him and his badge and he said as much. The officer took the kid's behavior as a personal affront and apparently felt the need to show how powerful he was.
Usually when folks talk about "teaching somebody respect" what they are talking about is some form of punishment, such as when the officer spoke of hitting the kid up side of the head and putting a shoe in his butt.
Officers in the past (and many now) aren't so much teaching respect by setting a good example as much as they are earning the respect of the community through their proper actions.
Proper respect is earned. The respect the officer was trying to teach wasn't respect at all. Trying to force somebody into behavioral compliance out of fear of punishment isn't respect, but tyranny. The funny part was that the kids weren't cowering as a result of his trying to force respect on them and that just made him madder.
I really liked the part where the officer was chewing out the kid for calling him "dude." The officer then demonstrated his ignorance of vocabulary by informing the kid that a dude was a person who works on a ranch. A "dude" may be many things, but being a rancher, cowhand, cowboy, etc. are not within the scope of what comprises being a "dude." Given the cop's ignorance, the kid calling him a "dude" was actually accurate even if he didn't know it at the time. See #2.
Main Entry: dude
1: a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : dandy
2: a city dweller unfamiliar with life on the range
Neo-Luddite
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This is so bloody far off topic Tecumseh, I might have to watch it again once I stop laughing.
What a precious little butterball of a man. The shorts, the little 'car', the fact that he can't even intimidate a skinny skaterboy. What do you suppose he did to earn such an assignment?
What a precious little butterball of a man. The shorts, the little 'car', the fact that he can't even intimidate a skinny skaterboy. What do you suppose he did to earn such an assignment?
MilsurpShooter
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Just goes to show, you have to really watch out for who is recording what
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=28128125
Just goes to show, you have to really watch out for who is recording what
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=28128125
Neo-Luddite
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The parenting issues are obvious, aren't they? I guess in a broader context all of the actors in this little exchange are exhibiting the general breakdown in respect and formality that helps hold the social fabric together; and at any rate, any self-respecting skater punk would have made the officer chase after him.
pdowg881
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I bet that one experience ruined those kids feelings about cops for the rest of their lives. Too bad all it takes is one.
Treo
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Hey! A Little Respect For The LAW Please
That was NOT a golf cart, it was a "tactical response vehicle" . Did you not see the mounting brackets for the Shrikes?
That was NOT a golf cart, it was a "tactical response vehicle" . Did you not see the mounting brackets for the Shrikes?
These days "dewd" and "man" are not really signs of disrespect. Its a shift in the way some people refer to each other, and a general lessening of formality in the culture. I am generally in favor of the lessening of formality, but some people, especially control freaks, don't like it and it gets to them.
You have to wonder why this guy was sent out to patrol the area in the first place? You would think the cop boss would have sent someone with a little less of an attitude. By sending the wrong guy to hunt down illegal skateboarders, he just set up his own cop to fail.
I did not see a whole lot of blatant disrespect on the part of the skateboarder. He could easily have run away and no way the cop is going to catch him.
My idea is if you want to ban skateboarding in certain areas, and it is dangerous to pedestrians sometimes, is just make the penalty instant confiscation of the offending board. The miscreants will get the message pretty quick and go somewhere it is safe and legal.
You have to wonder why this guy was sent out to patrol the area in the first place? You would think the cop boss would have sent someone with a little less of an attitude. By sending the wrong guy to hunt down illegal skateboarders, he just set up his own cop to fail.
I did not see a whole lot of blatant disrespect on the part of the skateboarder. He could easily have run away and no way the cop is going to catch him.
My idea is if you want to ban skateboarding in certain areas, and it is dangerous to pedestrians sometimes, is just make the penalty instant confiscation of the offending board. The miscreants will get the message pretty quick and go somewhere it is safe and legal.
RKBABob
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That kid deserved to be roughed up
for not addressing the officer as "Sir"
before bowing, then backing away in total awe
of his lofty position over the common citizenry!
Now police officers everywhere will adopt a poor opinion of all youth,
based on the disrespectful actions of a few rotten apples.
What a shame.
Its juvenile delinquents like this that grow up thinking they
have "rights" endowed unto to them... and they insult the Government
even further by claiming they came from a "Creator!"
for not addressing the officer as "Sir"
before bowing, then backing away in total awe
of his lofty position over the common citizenry!
Now police officers everywhere will adopt a poor opinion of all youth,
based on the disrespectful actions of a few rotten apples.
What a shame.
Its juvenile delinquents like this that grow up thinking they
have "rights" endowed unto to them... and they insult the Government
even further by claiming they came from a "Creator!"
fletcher
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Absolutely uncalled for, IMO. If he was breaking the law, the officer should have just given the kid a ticket, citation, whatever. Otherwise, he needs to leave it be. The force was also uncalled for, and I hope this guy gets what's coming to him.
The officer had his chance to really teach the kid a lesson, but he chose to be a jerk instead of do it effectively. I'm not saying the kid was in the right, but this was not even close to the proper response for the kid's actions.
Actions like that create people that hate police and the government, even though the majority of them are good.
The officer had his chance to really teach the kid a lesson, but he chose to be a jerk instead of do it effectively. I'm not saying the kid was in the right, but this was not even close to the proper response for the kid's actions.
Actions like that create people that hate police and the government, even though the majority of them are good.
Autolycus
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Lets say you call this officer man instead of dude. Or better yet, your wife does and Officer Rivera does not like this. So he decides to tackle her, put her into a chokehold/headlock and then throws her to the ground. After which he decides to handcuff her and try to arrest her. Lets say she was speeding or watering on a ban day, if you have that, as these kids were doing no real harm. Is this kind of treatment warranted?
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