oldreloader
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I don't mean to fan any flames, but I'm with Snuffy on this one.
What Increments to use when working up a load
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Lazerbeans
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If Mr. Newberry thinks the speed of sound is 18.000f.p.s, then his information is not very creditable. If it’s a typo, then it still doesn’t speak well of his creditability. In addition, just because you can make a common phrase into an acronym, does not mean its plagiarism for another to use that acronym. The phrase Optimal Charge Weight or OCW cannot be considered intellectual property, because it is a phrase that has been used commonly for decades in reference to metallic cartridges and their reloading. The man thinks very highly of himself to think it is, so once again I have to question his creditably. I agree smoke and mirrors, or to borrow from another’s quote; if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with BS.
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He mentions the speed of sound in STEEL and clearly it's a typographical error. Further down the page he has the speed of sound in STEEL correctly written as 18,000fps. I wouldn't discredit a very useful method of load development (to me anyway) based on one typographical error.
By the way, if you're going to be critical of someone for a typographical error perhaps you should take a closer look at the meanings of the words creditable, creditability and the similar words credible and credibility.
I just said it had some good information & was a quick way to get a working load. I didn't say it was the only way or even my way. What I do would come closer to falling in the smoke & mirrors category but I won't go into it because I know the flames would roll. I get enough of that around here so I'll keep my ways secret. 
dprice3844444
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get a chronograph
I am old school I guess. I work up a load by shooting groups as I work up to max. There will be sweet spots along the way. Pick one.
It just absolutely kills me when someone posts four groups shot with four loads, and pronounces one the best. One group means nothing. Nothing.
I can take a world class rifle, and trying as hard as I can, shoot five completely different groups in a row, all with the same exact load.
Ever heard of the "wailing wall"?
It is where we fuss about the big ones and cry about the "four and one" groups.
It just absolutely kills me when someone posts four groups shot with four loads, and pronounces one the best. One group means nothing. Nothing.
I can take a world class rifle, and trying as hard as I can, shoot five completely different groups in a row, all with the same exact load.
Ever heard of the "wailing wall"?
It is where we fuss about the big ones and cry about the "four and one" groups.
Lazerbeans
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"By the way, if you're going to be critical of someone for a typographical error perhaps you should take a closer look at the meanings of the words creditable, creditability and the similar words credible and credibility."-1858
Damn talk about irony. I have to admit I am embarrassed. But I am forced to say thanks. The only thing worse than being wrong, is being wrong and not knowing it; I didn’t catch that mistake. But I suppose it could have been worst. At least I wasn’t trying to write a technical article, or in the process of writing an article and also made out a common phrase was my intellectual property. I would have been truly mortified, if I made a silly mistake in that context.
Despite the mistake, I still stand by my original statements. If the techniques work for you or others, then that is great, I will not judge your use of such things. I am happy that it enables you to have a better command of your guns.
Damn talk about irony. I have to admit I am embarrassed. But I am forced to say thanks. The only thing worse than being wrong, is being wrong and not knowing it; I didn’t catch that mistake. But I suppose it could have been worst. At least I wasn’t trying to write a technical article, or in the process of writing an article and also made out a common phrase was my intellectual property. I would have been truly mortified, if I made a silly mistake in that context.
Despite the mistake, I still stand by my original statements. If the techniques work for you or others, then that is great, I will not judge your use of such things. I am happy that it enables you to have a better command of your guns.
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