What is a "balloon head" case please

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I was reading some other threads, enjoying learning as usual. It occurred to me I had heard the term "balloon head" case down through the years but never really understood what it meant. Often it was, I seem to remember, used in reference to late 1800's cartridges. Thanks as always. Don
 
If you google "balloon head case cutaway" you'll get a bunch of decent pictures to show you what the differences are between that and the modern way of making cartridge cases.

Basically, the case head is not completely solid but has some extra space around the primer pocket allowing a tiny bit more powder space, but providing a bit less support/strength in the case head.
 
Thanks.
Do you have a picture of a folded head boxer primed case?
A lot of people do not realize there are or were three main types of case, not two.
The folded head case is made like a rimfire, the rim is just the same thickness of brass (or copper) as the sidewalls, doubled over into a rim.
In fact, the early UMC cases of what we call balloon head design were headstamped S H for Solid Head because the rims were solid metal even though the case head was thin enough that the primer pocket protruded.
 
Here are two folded head cases, though not boxer primed. I can't remember ever seeing boxer primed folded head cases. Sorry, won't section any of these!

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Both cartridges are from Frankford Arsenal; the one on the left is Benet primed, while the one on the right is the Martin "folded head" primer. The Army insisted on inside primed ammunition originally as it was thought to be better waterproofed. However, the inside primers had a tendency at times to blow the primer anvil up into the bore of the gun creating a bore obstruction, and reluctantly went to the Boxer primer.

Bob Wright
 
When did they quit making balloon head cases
I don't know exactly, but I think it was all about over right after the end of WWII.
Say mid 1950's?

As the old machinery wore out, it was replaced with new and the case manufacturing method was changed with it.
So all brands of brass didn't change at the same time.

I think Remington changed completely before Winchester did.
But I couldn't prove it.

I used to run into them occasionally when I first started reloading in 1962, but I haven't seen one in years.

rc
 
Sometime post WWII and prior to 1960, one of Henry Stebbins' friends thought it unusual to find "solid head" .45 Colt. So balloon head, usually referred to by then as "semi balloon head" perhaps in contrast to folded head, was a regular item up into the 1950s.
 
What is a "balloon head" case

A Democrat.

Oh, you mean cartridge case?

Very thin walled brass case with little web support. Made before smokeless powders (in other words black powder.)

Not made anymore.

Deaf
 
Howdy

Here is another very early type of metallic cartridge. You may or may not have seen this photo on another thread. These are Benet primed, copper cased, folded rim cases. These are centerfire, but they are not Boxer primed nor Berdan primed, they are Benet primed. The round all the way on the right is a modern round, with a modern solid head case, all the others are Benet primed.

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Benet priming was developed by Stephen Vincent Benet, grandfather of the famous poet with the same name. Benet went on to become Chief of the Ordinance Department, but the priming that bears his name was developed earlier when he worked at the Frankford Arsenal near Philadelphia.

Here is a photo showing some Benet primed rounds cross sectioned. The folded rim construction of the case is obvious. From the rear, these rounds look like rimfires, because there is no separate primer, but they are not. Priming compound was deposited onto the flat inside face of the base of the case. Then a copper Anvil Plate was inserted and pressed down against the priming compound. The Anvil Plate was held in place by two crimps on the side of the case. When struck by the firing pin, the priming compound was crushed between the soft copper case and the Anvil Plate. The flame from the priming compound flashed through the two holes in the Anvil Plate to ignite the main powder charge. One can always tell a Benet primed round because of the lack of an external primer, and the two crimps on the side of the case.

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The Benet primed rounds needed to be copper cased so the material was soft enough to be deformed by the firing pin. Notice the tiny rim on these rounds. This was the very first version of the 45 Colt round. As a round for the Colt, a large rim was not necessary for extraction because the ejector rod of the Colt popped the empties out from the inside. All the rim had to do was hold the round from being shoved forward in the chamber when struck by the firing pin.

The rounds in the top photo are the 30 grain Army loads, but commercial rounds like this carried the full 40 grains of powder that we often read about. Incidentally, folded rim rounds like this had more case capacity than any other style of case, including Balloon Heads. When Balloon head rounds came along, it was more the norm that they would have about 38 grains of powder in them instead of 40. But gunwriters like to talk about 40 grains in the 45 Colt.

The soft copper was eventually the down fall of Benet primed rounds. Early 45-70 Government rounds had the same construction, somewhere I have a photo of one. But with the 45-70 Benet primed rounds the Trap Door extractor would sometimes rip through the rim, leaving the rifle jammed with a torn case in the chamber. Not a good thing in a fight.

Eventually the Army went to other forms of priming.
 
Around 1954 or 1955 I bought a box each of Remington and Western .45 Colt cartridges. The Remington cases were balloon head and nickeled, the Western were solid head and plain brass, but had the copper plate bullet. Can't say for sure how old the cartridges were, but probably made close to that time.

.44 Russian brass I bought about that time, or later, was balloon head, brass case.

Bob Wright
 
Really do appreciate the education folks. I know the posted answers took time and forethought. Thanks again all. Don
 
Jim,

Nickle plated came into use with smokeless powder. the convention at the time was:

Copper primer - Blackpowder

Nickel plated primer- Smokeless powder

Brass primer - Semi-smokeless powder

This for older factory ammo ~ modern and reloads, who knows?

Bob Wright
 
The way I took it was: before Keith had .44 Mag cases, he was working on an improved handgun that could handle the higher pressure. Making fine firearms is a skill many gunsmiths have. Making lengthen cases from scratch is nearly impossible. When the cases finally became available from the factory, Elmer already had the revolver made and partially tested. Having used the .44 Spl balloon head cartridge for early development.
 
The photo provided by Driftwood Johnson also shows one of the reasons the 45 long Colt was not originally available in any sort of lever action rifle. You can see there is hardly any rim. Enough for a SA revolver but not enough to use with a rfile extractor. Until the rim was made a bit wider AND the extractor groove cut, the round could not be dependable in a rifle.
 
I love this site. The man asked a good question and got an answer containing great pictures.
 
Howdy

Here is another very early type of metallic cartridge. You may or may not have seen this photo on another thread. These are Benet primed, copper cased, folded rim cases. These are centerfire, but they are not Boxer primed nor Berdan primed, they are Benet primed. The round all the way on the right is a modern round, with a modern solid head case, all the others are Benet primed.

45ColtBenetPrimedBox03_zps73800f6e.jpg


Benet priming was developed by Stephen Vincent Benet, grandfather of the famous poet with the same name. Benet went on to become Chief of the Ordinance Department, but the priming that bears his name was developed earlier when he worked at the Frankford Arsenal near Philadelphia.

Here is a photo showing some Benet primed rounds cross sectioned. The folded rim construction of the case is obvious. From the rear, these rounds look like rimfires, because there is no separate primer, but they are not. Priming compound was deposited onto the flat inside face of the base of the case. Then a copper Anvil Plate was inserted and pressed down against the priming compound. The Anvil Plate was held in place by two crimps on the side of the case. When struck by the firing pin, the priming compound was crushed between the soft copper case and the Anvil Plate. The flame from the priming compound flashed through the two holes in the Anvil Plate to ignite the main powder charge. One can always tell a Benet primed round because of the lack of an external primer, and the two crimps on the side of the case.

benet.jpg

The Benet primed rounds needed to be copper cased so the material was soft enough to be deformed by the firing pin. Notice the tiny rim on these rounds. This was the very first version of the 45 Colt round. As a round for the Colt, a large rim was not necessary for extraction because the ejector rod of the Colt popped the empties out from the inside. All the rim had to do was hold the round from being shoved forward in the chamber when struck by the firing pin.

The rounds in the top photo are the 30 grain Army loads, but commercial rounds like this carried the full 40 grains of powder that we often read about. Incidentally, folded rim rounds like this had more case capacity than any other style of case, including Balloon Heads. When Balloon head rounds came along, it was more the norm that they would have about 38 grains of powder in them instead of 40. But gunwriters like to talk about 40 grains in the 45 Colt.

The soft copper was eventually the down fall of Benet primed rounds. Early 45-70 Government rounds had the same construction, somewhere I have a photo of one. But with the 45-70 Benet primed rounds the Trap Door extractor would sometimes rip through the rim, leaving the rifle jammed with a torn case in the chamber. Not a good thing in a fight.

Eventually the Army went to other forms of priming.
I have read somewhere that one of the factors that doomed Custer at The Little Big Horn was the 45-70 cartridges ripping apart and disabling the troopers rifles. This is a great thread. Great question and excellent responses.
 
I have read somewhere that one of the factors that doomed Custer at The Little Big Horn was the 45-70 cartridges ripping apart and disabling the troopers rifles. This is a great thread. Great question and excellent responses.

Yes, I have read that too. Dunno if it is actually true, that's why I didn't mention it.

Here is my photo of a Benet primed 45-70 on the left.

BenetPrimed45-70.jpg
 
Isn't the reason shotgun shell primers are shaped the way they are is because of the shape of the case head and the primer needing full length support?
 
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