What night/tritium sights good for AR15?

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Howdy,

My AR came with the Magpul BUIS so I want to put on some night sights.

What is a good sight for that? I assume they are just rail attached, onto the flat top Picatinny?

Or do I just need the front sight to be tritium and not worry about replacing the rear BUIS?

Thanks.
 
Ideally you want to replace both the front and the rear. The tritium rear sights usually replace an A2 aperture and have a dot on either side of the opening. The front sight replaces the post in an A2 setup and has a single dot.

By the time you pay for both, they are a little spendy, you could have just bought an Aimpoint PRO which is an incredibly tough optic and much easier to use quickly and in low light than irons.
 
My red dot works in sun light or moon light. If it is dark enought at night that you need a thermal sight, then a flashlight and laser would be more pratical.

Just MHO
Jim
 
OK. I already have an ACOG with the RMR on top.

I just don't like the fact that from the front you can see the RMR because the LED light shines right at the reflex optical.

Thanks RC for the Trijicon front sight; will check that out.
 
Hey, a follow-up newbie question.

Soooo... I get this tritium front sight post and then I also need the front-sight tool to unscrew the old sight out of the front BUIS, and screw in the new one right?

I assume so but want to be super sure.

(And then re-adjust the elevation of the front sight of course to re-zero).

(these front sight posts look really teeny tiny...)

UPDATE: My BUIS looks like it has a thing that you need to depress before you can turn the post screw. Will the sight tool do that? Keep it depressed while turning?
 
NO you don't need a front sight tool.

The front sight was designed to be adjusted using only a FMJ bullet tip to depress the plunger and turn the sight.

It can be removed the same way using a small pin punch for a "bullet tip"..

A sight tool might be faster, but it "might" not fit over the rectangle shaped Trijacon post anyway.

rc
 
I've had AR's with night sights before and have found them to be less than ideal for my needs. For lowlight or night engagements I've found that a simple white light flashlight is more than enough. My current rifle wears an EoTech and a white light flash light.

Don
 
I've had AR's with night sights before and have found them to be less than ideal for my needs. For lowlight or night engagements I've found that a simple white light flashlight is more than enough. My current rifle wears an EoTech and a white light flash light.

Don
But that reveals your location (?)
 
But that reveals your location (?)
If you're willing to engage a target in complete darkness using night sights only, you've got a hard road ahead during the criminal proceedings or civil action.

White lite offers two distinct advantages.

1: Positive ID. It gives you the ability to clearly see the threat and will allow you to articulate in court "I saw the deceased, I saw the weapon in his hand, and he continued to advance towards me until I had no remaining option but to shoot to stop the threat".

2: Option to Use less than lethal force. If your light shows that the "threat" is actually your teenage daughter trying to sneak in the house after a date that went long after the time she was supposed to be home, you would prevent a tragedy that I would wish on no-one.

So yes, exposing my position is the least of my concerns when using a flashlight.

Don
 
Leave the irons alone. Useless and obsolete at night, even with Tritium.

Get a Eotech XPS or Aimpoint in a lower 1/3rd Cowitness Larue mount.

I use a Larue QR mount to mount my flashlight on my railed hand guard.
 
I forget that I sometimes need to preface my question with "if and when SHTF" but it's tricky as it's not kosher to talk about that on THR.

I agree on positive ID when there is still law and order around and you don't expect the marauders to be bursting through your door anytime soon.

Already got the light and laser on my AR. In fact have two, Surefire and Streamlight. I can swap them between my pistols and the AR.
 
If you can see well enough to ID a target at night without using light you can see well enough to use standard iron sights. At realistic ranges and realistic use (bad guy in your house/close range) you would be much better off spending that money on ammo and time practicing reflexive fire. Hitting a target with a controlled pair within 50m is not that hard without using your sights or just indexing off the front post when you are proficient with the weapon. Considering most realistic engagements would be well within this distance you will be fine.

If we're talking shtf then first shot accuracy is far less important. You can either afford to let the BG get closer for a better shot or just use some plain old fashioned suppressive fire - after, the sh-t already hit the fan so nothing worse can come of it.
 
How far do you plan on shooting in the dark without either a Night Vision Weapons Sight or Night vision veiwing goggles and a laser or white light?

The Army many moons ago tried the front sight only tritium posts, they were withdrawn because of breakages and contamination and for years arms rooms survays included finding radiation"hot spots" on rifle racks. Admittedly these were only a bit above background, but we were required to ID spots of higher than normal radiation on the racks.....something to think about. Although I have seen no numbers on it it was said that scores on the night phase of qualification did not go up significantly.

I did use a field expedient that worked for a bit after dark. On the regular M16A1 rifle I would put a small stripe of "Ranger Eyes" glow in the dark tape along the back edge of the front sight assembly, not on the post but on the back of the triangle so the post seemed to stick out of it in daylight. An even thinner piece was attached to the rear sight below the aperature pointing up and down rather than left to right. Looking through them at night gave a sort of glowing "T" with the lower leg sort of blobbly and out of focus. This allowed me to get the "windage" correct. Never got to actually shoot with them in the service, but later set up an AR-180 that way and had hits out to 35 meters or so with it in conditions where I could see a target outline but not the iron sights.

In 1977 I got my first Single Point, an unpowered model. This was an early Red dot "scope" using the occluded eye system where both eyes remain open and the non firing eye views the target and the firing eye looks into a closed tube with optics to see only the red dot. About two years later an other brand the original Aim Point OES came on the market and they first imported tritium power sources. Since the Single point used ambiant light to power the red dot, if there was no moon or considerable sky glow there was no red dot. As the scope body was a standard 1 inch scope tube I soon made a PVC pipe afair that included a AA battery powered "wheat light bulb" (hey this was in dinosaur days) to provide light for the Single point. I was unaware at that point that a simular concept had been used successfully with the earliest Single Points in the Prison camp raid in North Vietnam, so when I showed it to some one involved in that operation in 1979 they were suprised as it was not yet common knowledge that such had been done as everything about the operation was still classified. Later I obtained a Singlepoit of slightly different design with a tritium light source which has since died down enough to need outside power.

Trying to get US police and military interested in red dot type sights in the 1970's was frustrating. I did some shooting under flares (both using the flares for power and using my battery powered adaptor) with the Single point to about 200 meters and really liked the concept and effects. I was told by those that would listen that GIs and Joe cop would quicky find a way to break such devices and that they added bulk to the weapons.

I believe Redfield had a sight with red dot capability about 1974 or so that was used on a forward eye relief mount on Winchester 94s it was in many ways simular to the Single point but used a weird staggered two tube design. They apparently did not catch on with american hunters at that time though.

The newer see through scopes with red dots have some real advantages over the OES types (which I don't think anyone makes or sells anymore) though some do pose a securty problem in that there is some back glow out the front, but in my experience this is not much of a factor beyond rock throwing range for most scopes.

Listen to those encouraging you to get some sort of red dot.

Mean while look up the terms "Quick Kill" and "Quick Skill" the first a techneque of point shooting taught by the Army from 1968 through about 1975 and the second the Civilian equivilant used by shotgunners and sold as a kit by Daisy Air guns (came with unsighted BB"rifle" targets and guide booklet).

Good luck with it.

-kBob
 
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I did use a field expedient that worked for a bit after dark. On the regular M16A1 rifle I would put a small stripe of "Ranger Eyes" glow in the dark tape along the back edge of the front sight assembly,
Interesting.

In Army AIT in 1964, they taught us to tie our GI issue white handkerchief around the barrel right behind the front sight on our M14's to use a a referance point in the dark.

Strange as it sounds, it worked pretty good at CQB ranges.

rc
 
Yep they also taught painting the top of an M-60 barrel white for the same reason. The only gun I saw that done too was nasty after firing and the paint sort of burning.

They also taught using the ranger eyes by wrapong it on the back leg of the M-60 sight, We were concerned about that producing far more light to the sides that might be seen by someone than the amount of light available to the gunner as a reference point We tried wrapping 100mph tape over the sides and that seemed to help our concerns.....but as you know without NVS ranger eyes are hard to see more than 20 or 40 feet.

That last and and another incedent involving one of our LTs gave me the idea for the two bits of Ranger eye material. He bought a Privately Owned Weapon and asked me to help him learn it. It was a Star Starlight that had a bit of tritium in the front sight and a bit below the boTtom of the knotch of the rear. Star and most Euro outfits called them Beta Lights rather than Tritium. The night sight picture was a colon : (look familure to any military M9 shooters?) it worked very well out to some back lit targets we had at 25 meters. This was in about 1974 in Germany. I was having the duece of a time convincing the company's LTs to stick with .45 ACPs after one bought a High power. Why would a VMI, Texas A&M, and West Pointer listen to a lowly PFC Citadel Drop out? Beside the one that bought the Star another picked up a P-38. Our own platoon leader kept trying to get one of the enlisted guys to loan him a P08 or Astra 600 the guy kept in the Arms room......until he actually shot a 1911A1 that someone had worked over for him.

-kBob
 
Interesting bit about the radiation. Wonder about all those tritium wrist watches.
 
I happen to have a old Civil Defense Geiger counter that still works.

I can detect no measurable radiation in my three sets of Meprolite & Trijacon night sights, or my Luminox watch dial.

On the other hand, my Nokia cell phone and microwave oven is off the low scale.

rc
 
thanks for the scientific myth-busting! :)

makes me feel much better with my tritium watches :)
 
rcmodel,

Please note I wrote that there were hot spots where BROKEN tritium light sources had leaked.

We used chaulk to mark the spots and had to keep a record of the locations. Survey data was being kept to insure that levels were decreasing.

BTW the counter from our CBR/NBC section detected tritium wrist watches through the crystal quite well, there may be a difference between the quality and count range of a meter used to inspect nuke weapons in actual service and a Civil defense meter however...... Our meters were calibrated and certified every year and with in unit tests against known level sources and comparisons between meters several times in between certifications,atleast once a quarter. I have direct personal experince with 155, 8 inch, lance and Pershing systems so I tend to be a bit interested in things that are "hot".

-kBob
 
I have used the Mepro sights as primary on a carbine with carry handle. It worked very well and when combined with a white light was very fast in the dark. I didn't use a tool for the front, but the A2 rear required a little more effort. They were more than a novelty, but optics are much better quality now and I have more faith in an Aimpoint ot Trijicon to feel the need for a glowing iron.

One thing to consider too if used on MBUS's is the front sight will be folded down with the tritium hidden from a charging light source. If you needed it in the dark due to optic failure, you may deploy the backup only to find it just as dark as a standard post.
 
Thanks everyone. What I ended up doing was getting that Trijicon front post (which by the way came with the sight tool!) and also a Troy tritium rear sight (all metal, seems great).
 
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