What rifle did he use (British)

[cameron.personal]

All this talk about FALs and not one person posted a pic???

Here is a 2008 version of the "Right Arm of the Free World"

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[Limeyfellow]

Well, the M1A will get 1 MOA, if I remember correctly.
And the G3 has the PSG version, which can get lower than 1 MOA (and is really heavy).
I was moreso talking about the action, not individual rifles.

So will an accurised Fal, but most aren't built that way.

A standard grade M1A or a military M14 and generally are in the in the 2-4 MOA range, and even today the military acceptance grade for M14 and M16s is 4 MOA. A high quality build Fal and the right ammo could drop down to 1 moa, though you spending the same sort of money you would on a match national m1a. It would be a bit unfair of course to compare national match rifles with a standard grade build.

 

[Ignition Override]

Sidetrack on this general topic. Caliber questions etc.

Maybe our DOD can someday trade a whole warehouse of AR-15s for some British/Aussie/Euro FN FALs if they are still functional.

Wouldn't the large round be much better keeping the insurgents' heads down and going through thin obstacles with the ability to still penetrate? My Russian 7.62x54R (steel core), with each shot, went through both sides of a large oxygen cylinder. Would an AR do that?
Many combat veterans prefer the 7.62 caliber and point out how the DOD would lose face if it tried were to discuss this. Maybe if this one winds down fairly soon, they could order quite a bit+spare parts. Are the still-popular M-14s only used by snipers?
Don't the M-14s and FALs function much better with Asian sand and grit than AR-15s? an Iraq veteran described the dust as talcum powder and aircraft have to be specially protected. Not only engine intakes but various 'bleed air' systems and pitot-static (airspeed, ivsi, altimeter: even engine 13-stage bleed air comparison for pack auto shut-off) functions etc are quite vulnerable. My company's equipment was quite vulnerable enough (here) to maint. outsourcing and its 'well-camouflaged' follies. So maybe ARs function ok outside when the wind blows over there? I have the impression that the enemy's AKs and the SKS rifles will still shoot under almost any conditions.

I am not qualified to question what many veterans seem to prefer. Maybe toes are stepped on, and am a relative novice with guns
(certainly no {yet} hunting or combat experience), but we are talking about American lives along with allied troops' lives (and those of the 'host country')
Maybe it is best to carry much more of lighter, thinner ammo. Many Vietnam vets call the AR "the Mouse Gun". Some prefer the AK-47.
Much of this on 'Warrifles' etc.

 

[Nolo]

The thing is, 7.62 NATO's great and all, but it's too damn big. To many, 5.56 is too damn small. You need something in the middle.
Which is pretty much what the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel are trying to do.

 

[Limeyfellow]

Maybe our DOD can someday trade a whole warehouse of AR-15s for some British/Aussie/Euro FN FALs if they are still functional.

Unfortantly they were all shot out and falling to pieces decades ago. Those that were in better condition were sold off.

Wouldn't the large round be much better keeping the insurgents' heads down and going through thin obstacles with the ability to still penetrate? My Russian 7.62x54R (steel core), with each shot, went through both sides of a large oxygen cylinder. Would an AR do that?

Not really. The 5.56mm NATO is going to put you down with shot placement the same as any other round. There are tales from WW1 of soldiers complaining how the 30-06 doesn't have any real stopping power too. Now it might have some problems going through some of the houses in Iraq, but so do many 20mm rounds have problems. Plus it allows far more rounds to be carried and far easier to be aimed and keep on target.

Many combat veterans prefer the caliber and point out how the DOD would lose face if it tried were to discuss this. Maybe if this one winds down, they could use them plus the same ammo required by the still-popular M-14s.
Don't the M-14s and FALs function much better with Asian sand and grit than AR-15s?

Many prefer the M16 too. Heck you be lucky to even come across an M14 in Iraq. It is kind of a rare sight no matter how much hype you hear about it. As for dealing with the grit, the 40 years of improvement on the Ar-15 has really helped with that. Of course I yet to hear who these many veterans crying for the M14 are. We also have to realise the Ar-15 of today is quite different from the one carried in early Vietnam.

 

[Ignition Override]

Please delete duplication, 'computer freeze confusion'.

 

[Ignition Override]

Thank you for the diplomatic responses to a late-bloomer's (always bumbling) quest for the big picture.
Nolo-even Ruger has built a Mini in 6.8, as you may be well aware of (maybe Wolf will produce such low-price ammo).

It's good to be better informed on our troops' main rifles. Believe the M-14s went to certain select units in Afghanistan.

My Mini 14, 30 (and SKS) are keeping our general area truly safe from floating insurgent grapefruits and Taliban melons.

Ever vigilant (Semper vigi-).

 

[nutty7462]

"he" is a friend/mentor.

 

[SMLE]

I own a Springfield SAR-48. It is built on an Imbel receiver. It is as accurate as any stock military semi-auto I have fired, M1, M1A, H&K 91.

 

[woodybrighton]

SLR didn't break and you could always have giggles if there was a yank on the range by winding the gas down to maximum so maximum recoil
but 120 rounds as standard load not good

 

[matt87]

120 rounds? I heard it was 80 (3 mag changes). Either way, a bit lacking.

I understand there are a lot of SLRs sitting in the back of the larger armouries, along with L4 Brens, BHPs, Stirling SMGs etc. Turns out, since we have emergency conscription and a small standing army (even counting the Weekend Warriors) we don't have that many L85s, L86s or Minimis on hand. That'd be great fun; issueing a whole load of Johnny Joblesses half-worn-out SLRs and a few hundred rounds of that hot-loaded RG 7.62 intended for machineguns, and telling them 'enemy are over that hill. You run at them, and draw their fire.' Quite the credible emergency defence plan huh?

 

[woodybrighton]

think the decent SLR's got given to sirea leoane see the west side boys
everything else got scrapped
fired 7.62 taken from link though an SLR not a problem.
might have a problem in some 9mm pistols firing 9mm meant for smgs though

 

[everallm]

When I had less waist and more waistline and had to schlep the L1A1 the official hot to trot warrie load was 5 or 7 magazines of 20 (depending on how relaxed your 58 pattern mag pouches were) plus at least 100 round belt for the GPMG.

If your section or platoon commander gave you the "things may go pear shaped" look you would then beg, borrow or steal a spare respirator case and load another 6-10 load of 20 round boxes in.

If in doubt more ammo, more water..........