What's the 'classic' IDPA ESP gun?

[Pat Cannon]

I'm working on a graphics project and I want to show a representative gun for each IDPA division. So far I figure as follows:

CDP -- basic 1911 of course.
SSP -- 5" Glock.
ESR -- S&W 625.
SSR -- S&W M&P (the old one, not that new auto), or a Colt Python?
ESP -- Here's where I'm kind of stuck:

What's pistol is most visually recognizable as an ESP gun? The classic ESP gun I assume is a .38 Super 1911, but that won't do 'cause it looks just like the CDP guns. So what's a gun that's usually or always ESP? Browning Hi-Power? CZ75?

Somebody here will know! Thanks in advance,
Pat

 

[Jim Watson]

Not many BHPs in IDPA.
How much resolution will your graphics have?
To be definitely ESP you would have to have a CZ75SA with its distinctive straight trigger. I have shot my regular CZ75 in SSP by manually uncocking.

H&K P7 is obligate ESP and very recognizeable.
SIG P210 is ESP but not a real good one unless you show the late model with side button magazine catch and enlarged safety.

I have a soft spot for the Python in SSR, I shot one a full season plus years of PPC and some IPSC.

 

[HighVelocity]

1911 chambered in 9mm.

 

[robertbank]

Like HighVelocity said.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Joe D]

A .45 1911 makes a great ESP gun.

 

[jmorris]

as above a 9mm 1911/2011 or an ssp pistol with a magwell/external mods.

 

[sako_75]

I shoot a Sig 220 ST in ESP.

 

[DrKyle1]

IMHO the best & "classic" ESP gun is a 9mm Steel Frame 1911. Why? B/C of starting w/ 10 rounds (9+1) in the gun. The next time you shoot SSP or CDP... see how many times you shoot 1 round on a target, reload & re-engage that same target. Many stages are 10 round friendly!

 

[Jim Watson]

You are missing the point. He wants to do a PICTURE clearly illustrating the different divisions. A 9mm 1911 looks like a .45 1911. Not the purpose here.

If you are getting an advantage out of a 9+1 gun because there are largely double tap targets and you can reload on the transition, your MD is in a rut and should stir things up with some 3 or more shot targets and some steel.

 

[robertbank]

Jim Watson

Right on about the picture. IF not a 1911 then an all steel CZ ought to rank right up there.

As an aside the 1911 in 9MM has such low recoil it is almost like cheating. I have mixed stages up any way you can and the 1911 in 9MM with it's low recoil pulse just is a very fast gun.

Take Care

Bob

 

[jmorris]

"As an aside the 1911 in 9MM has such low recoil it is almost like cheating."

ahh, but it's not

 

[Jim Watson]

I shoot 1911 pattern 9mm guns in ESP. My Colt 1991A1 will feed 9mm from McCormick 10-shot .38 Super magazines, at least with heavy roundnose loaded long. My Springfield MixMaster A lightweight won't. Guess which one gets out more. I anxiously await the Metalform X-tended 9mm and .38 magazines to go with their .40, .45, and 10mm; or the smallbore Tripp Cobramags.

But they may all be obsoleted by the .45 Minor gun and loads I have in the works.

 

[Ari]

Well, it's hardly "classic". But the new staple I see in the ESP class would have to be the Springfield XD's. It's definately a noticeably different design gun, and from what I've seen at my club, dominates the ESP class.

 

[C. H. Luke]

P-35 used to be the "Classic" ESP pistol, now if one can find an all-steel Commander with the Colt Factory lightened 9mm slide, it may be the "Classic" ESP pistol.
Have one & the same but can't shoot it as fast as the G34 am used to shooting, even with the far superior trigger of the Colt Commander!

 

[Extremist]

I've shot:

- SW 952 (don't see those too often)
- Springfield EMP

I'm waiting on my Les Baer Premier II 9mm to come in and it will be my ESP gun from then on.

James

 

[Sidewinder6]

H&k P7

 

[Hoser]

1911 in 9x19 or Super.

 

[GEM]

In the ESP division, you close your eyes and will the bullets towards the target. Sorry

I shoot SSP and CDP - keeping my eyes open doesn't help that much.

 

[bluetopper]

Wished I knew what all these abbreviations meant?

 

[RioShooter]

Wished I knew what all these abbreviations meant?

Make a list. We'll define them for you.

 

[Pat Cannon]

Wished I knew what all these abbreviations meant?

U dont know ESP, SSP, CDP? OMG LOL! JK.

If you go to idpa.com or just google "IDPA divisions" you'll find more than you could want to know. If you have a centerfire handgun and you don't shoot IDPA, well, you should.

 

[SR_]

While most folks think of a 9mm 1911 for ESP, you said you wanted something else.

How 'bout - a glock with a mag well or any XD.

 

[Pat Cannon]

Well, I'm probably going to go with the XD, (in fact I have in my first draft) since that's the one I see the most by far at matches. Until being enlightened by the folks here, I'd assumed that they were in the SSP division, probably just because they look a little like Glocks.

(Because I shot CDP, I paid no attention to anything that wasn't a 1911 -- until this year; now only revolvers matter. )