What's with you girls?

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When friends come over to shoot some clays I try not to call out the wife.... she seems to make a fool out of the rest of us in short order. Oh well.
 
Wow.

My experiences with women on the line have been........ different.
 
I love to see any person, male of female able to hit the 10 ring right from the start. The key is that they recieve the right training and know the rules of handling a firearm. Something I absolutely can not stand at the range is someone just handing thier .44 to thier girlfriend that has never touched a firearm, and then laughing at the results.
Given the time, I spend between a hour or two talking with a new shooter before they fire their first shot. Along with the normal safety, gun mechanics and handling, etc, etc, I stress sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control.
I don't mean I just explain it one time. The student must understand it fully to the point that they can teach it to me. (time permitting I have them teach me)

I tell them,
"You can lay in the grass and shoot, you can sit in a lawn chair and shoot, you can even bend over and shoot between your legs, and if you maintain the proper sight picture as you smoothly pressure the trigger until the gun fires you will hit very close to where you want.

And it pays off.

Last Saturday this was this girl's target after about 40 rounds of 22LR and about 10 rounds of 38 at 8x11 inch targets.
Then she shot this target, ON THE MOVE (moving back, right and left), with a 3 inch S&W J Frame.
Except for the miss over the shoulder, the near miss in the shoulder and neck, all shots were were COM or solid body hits.

Then I told the girl to put five shots in the head, standing still, SA or DA, (I think then we were about 9 yards).
Those five shots are the smiley face. I admit it surprised me.:D
Now, less than an hour before and about 80 rounds before, this young lady had never touched a gun. (her mother and father aren't "gun people")

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She continued on until dark doing some very nice shooting.:)
 
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When taking my CHL shooting test here in TX with my first wife I placed 2nd, only to her.
 
I purchased some of the exploding targets from the recent gun show here. My GF and I went out to shoot and I took two of the targets out. I put the small one out about 50 yards and started taking shots at it with the open sighted AR. After about 15 shots of being a little high or a little low (it was pretty ugly) she asked to try so I handed her the rifle (first time firing it, she had used the S&W 15-22 just before this) and her first shot blew up the target. So... I run out and place the second larger target and put some wood on top to make a nice little pop and her first shot knocks off the wood and her second shot blows the target.
 
After about 15 shots of being a little high or a little low (it was pretty ugly) she asked to try so I handed her the rifle (first time firing it, she had used the S&W 15-22 just before this) and her first shot blew up the target.
No doubt, they can be good.:)


That S&W M&P 15-22 is a GREAT and inexpensive training rifle for the AR.
Recently I had two females first shoot a handful of mags through the Smith, then shoot my AR's.
IMMEDIATELY they were completely comfortable, competent and accurate with the AR.

Before the end of Dec my Smith will have paid for itself in ammo cost savings.
 
I took my wife to my Club for some instruction in Sporting Clays. First time shooting a shotgun (20 gauge o/u). It was raining so she was shooting under cover at the 5-stand field. Hit the first 25 targets the instructor pulled for her. The instructor, myself and about 10 other guys there where blown away. Natural eye. Had to buy her her own gun......she's hooked.
 
No doubt, they can be good.:)


That S&W M&P 15-22 is a GREAT and inexpensive training rifle for the AR.
Recently I had two females first shoot a handful of mags through the Smith, then shoot my AR's.
IMMEDIATELY they were completely comfortable, competent and accurate with the AR.

Before the end of Dec my Smith will have paid for itself in ammo cost savings.

I understand the concept of training with a similar looking and operating rifle, and .22 ammo costs are low.

But can a .22 rifle with a list price of $569 be considered "inexpensive"?

I guess it's all relative to your disposable income, but a Marlin Model 60 is what I might consider inexpensive.
 
its like that with many kids and the like as well. I'm 16 and i outshoot my dad, who is a great shot. mostly because his vision is declining, but also because of his reflexes even from the brain to the finger are not what they used to be.

but really how hard is it?

just line up the sights with the target's center and squeeze. not much to it.
 
Officer's Wife, thank you ma'm, bookmarked that one to send to my grandsons

Skillet, ask that same question again in 40 years.. (or try shooting against your sister)

cast one vote here in favor of the ladies
(BlueAngel, from newbie to spooky accurate in 3 weeks, off hand rifle shot.. and less than one year from 22 rimfire to being better than a fair hand with a 357.. and it only cost me a couple of new Browning rifles and a half dozen new handguns in various calibers.. and a little humility... what's not to love about that ??)
 
Officer's Wife -

Dagnabit, you beat me to it.........

Kipling, I mean.

My sister has always kicked my butt rifle shooting.

On the other hand, I've always kicked her butt shotgun shooting.

Pistol, we're about even.

My theory is that I've a talent for instinct shooting

And my sister has a talent for precisely aimed shooting.

Not necessarily a down the line guy/gal split.

My late mother was scary good with a scattergun,

Shot skeet with a .410 winchester pump,

Just for the fun of it.

And nobody took bets against her.

So go figure.


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Hi Yoda. I know what you mean. I'm not 'O' ring with my own gun. The DH took us to an outdoor range to sight in his new rifle & scope. I'd been shooting, he'd been sighting. I lean over it (on a bench), line it up, pull the trigger and dead on.

I thought he'd been doing that too. Turns out it was sighted perfectly...for me!
 
A while back when I was shopping for a .45 I took Mrs. JDD to the range to test a few rental .45's. First up, an XD - 10 rounds. All in the paper at 21 feet. :what: "It doesn't fit my hand very well. . . ." Handed her a 1911. Again seven on paper. Doesn't like the recoil. A Beretta 92 clone. . . Guess what I have to buy her now. . . . . Oh, yes all rounds on paper over half in the black. She likes the 9.
 
I understand the concept of training with a similar looking and operating rifle, and .22 ammo costs are low.

But can a .22 rifle with a list price of $569 be considered "inexpensive"?

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Yes it is inexpensive every time it is fired in place of a .223 AR.

Just like any 22 pistol or rifle conversion quickly pays for itself in ammo cost savings.

Like I said, by the end of this month the M&P will have paid for itself in .223 ammo. ($479).



BTW, This morning there was another young girl shooting a handgun for the first time at my place. Her dad brought her out to shoot her 10/22..

I gave her a choice of the 4 inch Ruger bull barrel 22/45. Ruger Bearcat and 2 inch 22 S&W Mod 34 to shoot. She shot all three.

It didn't take her long to get going.
Many magazines through the 22/45. No small groups but COM 95 percent of the time.

Then she wanted to shoot the Bearcat.
Now girl, everyone knows you don't shoot cowboy guns two handed. Right handed, good. Bad luck, the rustler shot you in the right arm, got to shoot left handed. Poor rustler.
She liked that Bearcat.:)

Finally she wanted to shoot the little S&W and I figured it was time for some shooting while moving. Some fun.


Add another (female) handgun shooter to the ranks.:)
 
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My wife routinely outshoots me, lots of dead on x ring hits. I have shot 10x more than her in my life. She may go shooting once or twice a year, and I generally shoot once a month.
 
Yes it is inexpensive every time it is fired in place of a .223 AR.

Just like any 22 pistol or rifle conversion quickly pays for itself in ammo cost savings.

Like I said, by the end of this month the M&P will have paid for itself in .223 ammo. ($479).

Yes, agree again, .22 ammo is inexpensive, but no, I still don't think a $479 .22 rifle is inexpensive.

.22 ammo can be shot through any .22 rifle, marksmanship training value would be similar. So maybe an actual inexpensive rifle would actually be ..........inexpensive.
 
I understand the concept of training with a similar looking and operating rifle, and .22 ammo costs are low.

But can a .22 rifle with a list price of $569 be considered "inexpensive"?

I guess it's all relative to your disposable income, but a Marlin Model 60 is what I might consider inexpensive.

A Marlin 60 is our other fun gun.

I like shooting the AR platform so the 15-22 is a less expensive alternative to the regular AR ammo. Sure, the initial outlay is there but I have another gun to shoot at my .22 spinner targets.
 
I've had three amazing range experiences with women.

A while back, I took my girlfriend (now she's an ex) to shoot for the first time in her life. I had an old DA Iver Johnson 55 Cadet in .32 Long. It's a crude, clunky gun; the sight groove is even blocked from view if the hammer's at rest. Well, this woman was hitting bullseyes the first time she picked it up. It was wild. Then, she tried my Norinco SKS and was hitting 4"-5" groups at 100 yards, firing pretty quickly, too.

I recently took an old girlfriend shooting and she had never shot a handgun before. At 20 feet, she was shooting 1.5" groups from the outset with my ol' Wolverine. Now she's looking for one to buy.

Another time, I took a good friend (female) to shoot; we were bored so I suggested the range. She had never touched a gun in her life. Within ten minutes, using an old Model 10, she was hitting an old motorcycle helmet on a pole from 50+ feet, hitting every shot. By the time our second range trip was over, she was getting sub 2" groups at 100 yards with a Marlin 60. After much coaxing, she convinced (pleaded with) me to sell her the Model 10; she also bought the Marlin 60 off me.

I think the lack of testosterone makes for a better natural shooter. Guys, in general, are more aggressive than females. Every time I took a newbie male shooter with me, we had to have repeated don't-jerk-the-trigger discussions. The girls were smoother, more patient and steadier. They also don't have that male ego which must be stroked; the women were much better listeners.
 
My dad used to get so mad at Mom. He'd line up cans on a fence rail and pick a few off. Hand mom the 22 rifle, she'd shoot the rail and knock all the cans off then grin while he was stomping back to the fence to put them all back on. She's been gone just over 20 years now and he still thinks she couldn't shoot.
 
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