When will the run on the guns end?

[Skribs]

"Or if there's another mass shooting..."

Statistics show there will be a few again this year. It's tragic, but it's happened consistently for years that a couple of people will go nuts. The most common tool is firearms, but it could just as likely be arson or explosives...or it could go down the other way and be a machete. The fact is that there is absolutely no way to prevent these tragedies from happening.

Even the anti-gun lawmakers know this. They know that if they ban assault weapons, someone else can kill just as many people with 10-round magazines. I guess they think he just has to work harder if he has to reload more. "That will show him!" That's the only logical explanation I can think of for why a lawmaker would think that a shooter who brings a backpack full of mags will be neutered, but a homeowner who probably only loads the mag in the gun with ammunition can just "change the clip if they need to". It doesn't make sense.

 

[rdhood]

The more I think about what's going on right now, the more I think the aim behind it is to use this as an issue to try to take back the House in 2014.

I think that this is going to have the opposite affect. Anti-gun voters will not be nearly as motivated as pro-gun voters. To the average anti-gun voter (unless you are in CT or NY), this issue drops off the radar in a month or two. To the pro-gun voter, the antis have just made an attempt to restrict/register/confiscate our guns/magazines/ammunition. They are attempting to confiscate our heirlooms, hunting weapons, self defense firearms. To the pro-gun voter, this issue will NOT be forgotten in 2014 or 2016.

 

[mgkdrgn]

When they are all sold.

 

[MudPuppy]

Yeah RIght.. You mean like this one:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325681137

Started at $5,990.00
Current Bid $0.00
Time left Listing has Ended

Yes, EXACTLY like that one. OMG, ARs are all selling for like $6K now! :banghead:

Truth is, the 2nd is under attack. As many gun owners as there are out there, theres a bunch more that want to be but have work, family obligations, etc that may have resulted in "i'll get one next week", but just haven't made it a priority. This woke a bunch of those guys up and they're trying to secure what they can, before they can't. The threat to Rule by Decree is the real risk, imo.

 

[Trent]

Not 6K, but still over $2500.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325720390

 

[ku4hx]

I hope the "run" on guns never ends. What I hope for is more production of all guns, ammunition, components and etc. What I'd hope for is every true American that doesn't own a gun buys three: a rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. And, of course, sufficient ammunition to become proficient with each.

I'd like to see the run on guns cause the building of new gun ranges and gun clubs in every community in the country. I'd like this to be taken as a sign the true American population will simply no longer tolerate the criminals being in charge of our fate.

Of course I'd like to see more guns and ammunition on shelves but think about it. This run on guns is a direct reaction to the lawlessness of our federal government. I see it as a strong statement by true Americans and I'm hoping the message is, "You ain't seen nothing yet".

 

[Preacher.]

I sure wish prices will come back to normal cause Id sure like to buy an AR but I ain't gonna pay 3X the price for one right now.

 

[USAF_Vet]

If ammo prices ever regain some semblance of normalcy, I'll never get caught with my pants down again. I'll spend a couple thousand on factory ammo, and then get a reloading press and a few thousand more primers and bullets.

 

[tarosean]

then get a reloading press and a few thousand more primers and bullets.

Thats the truth...

We had the all the family come in for Christmas and burned through a TON of Ammo. I really wasn't paying attention to the market at all being preoccupied and all.

I had a pistol class scheduled for Feb and realized I wouldnt have enough... Sent my wife searching high and low to no avail and ended up getting some stuff Ive never used before online (Hornaday Steel Match) only because thats all I could find in stock for 500rds. While Ive always saved my brass for friends.. This is the last straw and finally gave me that extra kick in the bottom to reload... now if only equipment and dies were around...

 

[mgmorden]

How does a bill to stop the retail end online, effect manufacturing?
wouldn't we just go back to how we did it for decades prior to online sales?

You would - which means that you'd be paying a lot more than what online sales have allowed in past years, and some of the rarer ammo will likely become much harder to attain. I don't know of a lot of local places that stock 7.62x25 or 7.62 Nagant.

 

[Sol]

No, it's his buddy George Soros that holds a ton of firearm stock. Actually I think only two or three U.S. Gun manufacturers are publicly traded and the rest are indirectly traded by being held by those megamanagment firms.

 

[gym]

I have been pretty much right so far, I would say depending on future incidents, 1 year. If nothing happens, everyone but the same 5 people "or so" will have moved on.
People have short memories, they forgot the Beatles in a few years, and they forgot 9/11, in a half dozen. When I say forgot, I mean it no longer influenced them as far as the way everyone wanted blood ,when it happened. Now it's, why are we there, and bring home the troops, why did we spend the money. Not that, "if we hadn't gone there they would be here".
We see the same thing every day with headlines, that just get wiped clean by the next news story. It's the human survival instinct to forget, as with "pain" when you have a severe surgery from something like a back injury, and say, I'll never lift weights, or fight again, and you get better, and the next thing you know you are back training.
This is the same with everything including death, everyone dies, but no one expects to. And everyone eventually forgets about loved ones who perished not completely, but enough to function normally.
The same will be true with guns, no different, "strike while the iron is hot", is the key phrase, if they don't get it done now, it won't get done ever.

 

[danez71]

When will the run on the guns end?

When the 2A is upheld.

 

[lionking]

Shooting and guns are becoming a rich man's sport/hobby. Except maybe .22, a Mosin or shotgun.

 

[MAKster]

As a percentage of a typical person's annual income, firearms are probably less expensive today then they have ever been. If you bought a Colt revolver in the Old West it cost around two months wages. That would be around $5,000 today. A Glock cost 1/10 that.

 

[gym]

They were selling single 00buck at the show for 2 dollars each. She said she drove to Michigan to get them. "Very original story".
Why do they ask you what you can get it for if they don't want the answer?
I asked the vendor how much for a laser max laser for my shield, 'he said" $100 clams, I said no thanks, he said "why", I said "because I can get it for 75 online", "he started arguing with me"I said, meet me half way, I can show you on my phone they are $73-$75 in a half dozen stores. He said, "I pay $84", I say you are getting robbed then, he gets huffy and walks away mumbling.
Don't ask don't tell?

 

[pa350z]

Concerning AMMO, its simple supply and demand tempered by manufacturing output. The big AMMO makers should be stepping up by putting on more shifts, adding more equipment etc... while there is this shortage, they are losing big bucks and know it. I would be that we will see a return to what can be considered a more normal supply of ammo within the next 6 mos. Too much money being left on the table and Remmington, Winchester, Federal etc... all know it. Watch for a flood of eastern Europe AMMO to start coming in.

On the actual firearms, who knows. Not sure Colt, Smith and Wesson, RRA, Bushmaster etc.. are going to ramp up to meet demand. They know they are leaving dollars on the table but, will be very careful in adding equipment, staff, shifts etc... until they know what is happening at the Federal level. If nothing happens, look out for more product to come on the market.

 

[r1derbike]

I hope every new or future first time gun owner gets proper training, range time, and joins the pro-gun organization of their choice. We need these voices for present and future battles against 2nd and Constitution, and there will be contentious battles; the present one is long from being over.

The more gun owners that we have, the better. Supply and demand hasn't affected me at all. I have all that I need, in moderation. Read the political climate, and took action before the SHTF, politically speaking.

 

[morcey2]

It'll end the day after I break down and buy an overpriced upper and barrel for my lower.

My actual guess is that it will be early next year before things get back to somewhat normal in the sane states. I'm still looking for H4895, H4350, and IMR-4064. I thought I had enough, but I don't. Lots of bullets, lots o' brass, and lots o' primers, but I'm already running low on powder. I do have a ton of Trail Boss and will probably shoot lots of that with cheap bullets in 7mm, 8mm, and 7.62x54R.

Matt

 

[bayesian]

I pretty much agree with everything pa350z said (so, one might ask, why I'm commenting... )

Anyway, the capital investments you make for expanding production really require you to project out how much additional demand there will be in the future. If the current run is just shifting demand from the future to now, then this would be a strong argument for both gun and ammo manufacturers to not expand production much right now. You lose out on sales now but those additional sales can be swamped by wasted capital investments sitting idle when you have too much capacity.

I'm pretty sure that a good number of the purchases are being made by people that might have purchased in the future and they just moved bought now. Coupled with the uncertainty of future regulations, I think gun makers be fools to expand production much beyond adding shift work.

So the interesting question comes from those other buyers that would not have bought but for the threat of regulations. Are those guns going to sit in the closet? I think so. I think it is like people that on the spur of the moment, go out and buy a bike because they are going to ride more. Most don't. In which case, the additional guns are not going to be associated with increased demand for ammo.

I guess the related question then is, where is all of the additional ammo that is being bought over the last couple of years going? How much is being consumed and how much is sitting in stockpiles? If alot of that is in stockpiles, then the current sales and increases in sales can't easily continue... That would be an argument for ammo manufacturers not greatly increasing production. I'm sure they've got marketing researchers polling ranges to see if they are seeing increased business. Curious what the answer is...

 

[Tcruse]

There will be a noticable increase because of the new gun owners. NCIS stated they processed 2.8 million background checks. A high percentage of these are new users since users with CCW typically are not called in so NCIS system would not know about their purchases. It appears that most of the new puchasers are buying for protection and plan to get CCW permits, so that means practice, training classes etc. So, regular ammo purchases.