Where does the ACR stand now?

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Well, for the price of a standard model ACR, it looks like I could get an entire LMT Monolithic Rail Platform with 16", a 10.5" barrel for it, the tax stamp for the SBR paperwork, and maybe a 510-series EOTech or AimPoint M2 to put on it. For the enhanced version could also add a 18" barrel and change the optic out to an ACOG (and all three barrels are 1-7, with the 16" and 10.5" chromed . . .).
 
Huh, looks like the SCAR-L is already down to $2400. That was quick, I saw it selling for 3 grand 3 months ago when I bought my Sig. If/when the Army takes it up in any significant numbers I'd expect that price to come down to more like $1500. I could be horribly wrong, but that's my prediction.

Anybody know how much the barrels are selling for?
 
Huh, looks like the SCAR-L is already down to $2400. That was quick, I saw it selling for 3 grand 3 months ago when I bought my Sig. If/when the Army takes it up in any significant numbers I'd expect that price to come down to more like $1500. I could be horribly wrong, but that's my prediction.
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I wouldn't count on the price of the SCAR going much below $2400, I suspect it will always be a $2000+ rifle.

The trend with FN rifles is that they don't tend to go down much in price over time, if anything they go up in price. I remember when the FS2000 first came out people were getting them brand new for under $2000 and now most gun shops sell them for around $2400. When the PS90 first came out you could buy them brand new for around $1350, now most shops sell them for around $1800.

All I'm saying is don't hold your breath that the SCAR will drop dramatically in price any time soon.
 
I don't think it'll be anytime soon. I'm talking 2 to 3 years after the Army takes it up, if they take it up. The key thing there being the U.S. Army taking it up, the Army didn't take up the F2000 or the P90. If the Army doesn't take it up, I'd expect it to be an expensive niche [well, niche might not be the right word] rifle, much like what the ACR looks like as of now.
 
I'm trying to figure out how anyone can be upset at a rifle...much less one they do not own or have even touched.

It's just a gun and not an investment in ego.
 
Eh.. I was looking forward to the ACR because it looked like a really promising design. As it sets now, I'll wait until the price matches the features. I'm just kind of taken aback at how much Bushmaster missed the mark on this.

I can understand the desire to make sure you are getting your share of the "Gunbroker early adoption" premium; but $2,700 for a no-frills 5.56 semi-auto rifle is pretty crazy.
 
230therapy, there were a LOT of people who saved up for as long as two years to buy the ACR at rumored prices as low as $1500 that included more features and 2 lbs less weight than it does now. Considering that, it is easy to see how some people are passionately disappointed.

Anyway, what other options are there for pistons that were designed as such from the ground up, like the SCAR? Does that include the XCR, POF, LMT?
 
As far as I know, the Sig 550 was designed from the ground up as a piston 5.56 NATO gun. The Sig 556 is the U.S. Sig Sauer version that has the bonus of accepting M16/M4 mags (although in my limited experience, it only likes some STANAG mags). It's also been dinging my brass and ejecting it rather far away and in a wide area (I was spoiled by how nicely my M1A ejected the brass right next to itself). But, if you want a gas piston 5.56 that's not an AR or a bullpup, I'd recommend it. And, it won't cost you 3 grand :D
 
Maybe they put the price high on purpose so they can QC their brand new production rifles to a higher level and recoup startup costs. That way they can't get a bad rap from civilians who bought them because they will also have the double whammy of having paid too much and will be too embarassed to say their uber expensive rifle is anything other than awesome and makes HKs look like Jimenez.
 
Maybe. It just seems like a really hard sell at that price. I see rich guys with too much disposable income buying it as the newest cool thing to have, so I'm sure they'll sell at least a few. I just don't see hobbyists of average income, such as myself, paying over $1500. I can certainly understand why people who saved up for a year or more waiting for the rifle to come out are pissed. With those people factored in, I could actually see Bushmaster losing money on this one by alienating their customer base and souring them on the Bushmaster company itself. The perception of a company held by consumers matters. Personally, I bought a Sig 556 because I wanted a 5.56 semi-auto that wasn't an AR, I've had no complaints with my Sig 1911, and I had yet to hear anything bad about the Sig rifle. So far Sig Sauer has kept me a happy customer and I'll probably buy from them again in the not too distant future. H&K on the other hand has more than likely lost my business for life, and I haven't even bought anything from them. Their reputation alone sours my interest.

I'm no marketing/consumer market expert, but I'm sure others out there feel the same and Bushmaster will lose money over this. Then again, maybe the ACR will be selling for $1500 in 2 years and used ones will be $1200 or less. I just might consider buying one at that point.

I just can't see paying more than a Super Match M1A cost during the height of The Obama Panic for a 5.56 rifle.
 
I don't think it'll be anytime soon. I'm talking 2 to 3 years after the Army takes it up, if they take it up. The key thing there being the U.S. Army taking it up, the Army didn't take up the F2000 or the P90. If the Army doesn't take it up, I'd expect it to be an expensive niche [well, niche might not be the right word] rifle, much like what the ACR looks like as of now.
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The fielding with SOCOM won't help much with the price tag for the rifles, I don't think, but will help with aftermarket parts and peripherals (both stock and innovative) I suspect.

Now if the SCAR (or whatever else) were selected as an M4/M16 replacement for Big Army or DoD-wide, that would probably change things in a pretty big way, eventually.
 
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I think Remington and Bushmaster have failed to take notice of the times we live in, and adjust their products accordingly.
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Maybe they have done just that.

The people saving up for the pipe dream of a $1,500 ACR were non-sales right from the start. Magpul might have been aiming at that range, years ago, but who could seriously believe that looking at the price of their other products? I suspect Bushmaster figured out there was no way they could deliver a $1,500 or even a $1,800 rifle. Knowing that, there's nothing they can do about the people who can't afford it. So, instead of trying to price it low, they will try to get as much as possible for the initial release. The people who aren't hurting and want an ACR won't be too bothered by the street price. I suspect the prices will come down after those initial biters have taken the rifles home.

I don't know if that's how it happened but it sounds reasonable.
 
The ACR has taken a sharp nose dive... It's not what it was originally billed to be and costs WAYYYY too much.
 
By the way, my local gunshop has a few FS2000s on the wall, they were $2400 not long ago, now they are marked down to $1790. I see the prices dropping alot lower than many expect for the SCAR and the ACR in no time at all.
 
Well considering that even Bushmaster is saying that they will be releasing an upgraded ACR that is a pound lighter and has a 1:7 barrel, I don't really see a lot of people rushing out to buy the 8.2lb, 1:9 barrel basic March 1 version at $2,700 - unless they just want to hold on to it for 30 years and hope it becomes a collector's item.
 
What are those AUG clones, MSAR's? Saw one in the gunstore today, $850. What ACR?

Maybe they have done just that.

The people saving up for the pipe dream of a $1,500 ACR were non-sales right from the start. Magpul might have been aiming at that range, years ago, but who could seriously believe that looking at the price of their other products? I suspect Bushmaster figured out there was no way they could deliver a $1,500 or even a $1,800 rifle. Knowing that, there's nothing they can do about the people who can't afford it. So, instead of trying to price it low, they will try to get as much as possible for the initial release. The people who aren't hurting and want an ACR won't be too bothered by the street price. I suspect the prices will come down after those initial biters have taken the rifles home.

I don't know if that's how it happened but it sounds reasonable.
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So reasonable to you is finding yourself unable to deliver on a promise so you scam the hell out of your loyal customer base? Doesn't sound reasonable to me...yeah, Magpul's accessories are expenisve, but they are great quality. So when that company says they are going to produce this weapon weighing this much at this price, you know you are going to get one quality weapon for that price. Now, Shrubmaster has produced a different weapon, weighing more and costing double. Sure, it will sell out the gate to the people with massive disposable incomes. But Bushy is going to loose in the long run; no steady sales because they alienated their loyal customer base; the serious shooters and hunters and enthusiests who keep products alive through steady sales. That sounds to me like failing to take notice of the times we live in, and failing to keep promises.
 
Why is a swappable barrel/bolt such a desirable feature. Wouldn't it be easier and faster to just swap the upper?
 
I still can't get over the fact that it looks almost exactly like an FN Scar. From 10ft away I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

So has FN sued them yet? Looks like trade dress infringment.
 
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