Which caliber for AR?

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Was thinking of saving up for an AR and wanted to hear the pros and cons of the different calibers available for it. I've seen them in .223, 9mm, 6.8, 7.62x39, any others? Also if anyone could give a ratings as to manufacturer, like who is good/bad, what NOT to buy, what to look for, aspire to have, etc. Mucho thanx for any advice.
 
I'm presently gathering the fixins to put together one in .45 ACP. You can also find 10mm, .40 S&W, .450 Bushmaster, .45 GAP, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf. Oh yeah, and 22lr.

ETA - Be aware that you really need to research available magazines before embarking after one of these.
 
I currently have .223, .50 Beowulf and 6x45.

To be honest I think the 6.5 Grendel is an ideal caliber to use for medium game hunting, paired with a .223 for cheaper ammo, ballistics are better than the 6.8 by a decent margin. For hog and black bear hunting the .50 is great, .458 Socom is also decent and available from more vendors with slightly lower ballistics but higher BC bullets, I have to say my Alexander Arms upper has been excellent.

Personally I think a pistol caliber round in an AR is not a wise use of money, you can pick up a complete Sub2000 for a couple of hundred, probably 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a good upper for the AR. And you don't gain a lot with an AR, a little more ergonomic, but still crap ballistics past 100 yards.

RRA, DPMS, AlexanderArms and a bunch of other vendors put out decent products. A Clark Gator or Les Baer would be nice for those who can afford it.
 
AR's tend to be the best quality in 5.56, if that means anything.

How's that? All the AA's I've seen have been great, and the RRA in .458 Socom seems up to the same quality as their .223's. Likewise the DPMS in various calibers, and most of the customs.
 
Repeating blackhawk2000, what will you use it for?

Unless you have a very specific application calling for Something Else, AND a large ammo budget and/or handloading background, the .223 is first choice.

I'd rather have a good .22 than an AR in a pistol caliber.
 
i have a .223 m4a3 bushmaster. i like it alot and have extensive expereince with many various bushmaster models and they have all been great there are many other good companies out there. dpms, rock river arms etc.

i like and would like to buy a 9mm ar, with the price of ammo the way it is that would be a whole heck of alot cheaper. but you must remember to that there really are no advantages of having a pistol caliber carbine especially when it is the same size as a rifle that is capabale of being chambered for a rd that packs more punch. in a fight it would be better to have a rifle carbine than a pistol caliber carbine. but using the 9mm model would be great for plinkking learning techniques and trainning. and then you can apply what you learned in trainning on your own, with what you are actually gonna use.

i really like the 6.8 and if money wasn't an issue i would go for that.
 
How's that? All the AA's I've seen have been great, and the RRA in .458 Socom seems up to the same quality as their .223's. Likewise the DPMS in various calibers, and most of the customs.

RRA and DPMS aren't horrible, but they don't make as good a weapon or take as many preventive measures as many companies do...
 
RRA and DPMS aren't horrible, but they don't make as good a weapon or take as many preventive measures as many companies do...
What are preventative measure? Who does take these?

I'm trying to learn about these too. I'm leaning towards the larger .308 caliber myself, and it seems like the AR platform gets lousy reviews at that cal. Like it ceases to be a battle rifle and gets put on the bench-literally. I've seen the DPMS's called "match guns, not battle rifles". Yet noone seems to say such things of the platform in .223. Any ideas why that is?
 
RockyMtnTactical said: RRA and DPMS aren't horrible, but they don't make as good a weapon or take as many preventive measures as many companies do...

I have to respectfully disagree... I own a RRA and could not be happier. I've had it for quite some time now and have put over a 1,000rds through it... and not one problem...at all.

I'm pretty sure that RRA is also standard issue for the DEA and also for other LE departments as well.

Here's mine... It's 5.56mm... which is what I recommend.

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does rra and dpms , peen in their gas keys to the carrier? heard this was very important to do, for peeps who heavy use their weapons.
Also I would think that MGI military, with their totally modular ar's would be very good, so you could get a nice 223, 6.5 grendel combo going.
 
Stake.

The people who have BTDT on THR tend to favor Colt and LMT because they tend to do a more consistent job of producing good gear. This is a sore point for some, but if someone who runs carbine courses tells me that he sees a real trend in one make being better than others, I'll take his experience over my experience, which has seen a whole lost less rounds going through a lot fewer weapons.

Mike
 
I would just like to put in a heavy plug for what Jim Watson said. Unless you really want to deer hunt with your AR (6.x), hunt bigger stuff (.50 Beowulf), or...I dunno, can only shoot pistol ammo at your range (9mm) I can't think of any reason to buy anything but a .223/5.56 rifle.

This round or that round may be better but for plinking, target shooting, varmint hunting, and home defense 5.56 will do just fine. And it's both cheaper and more available than most other options. Pistol ammo, 9mm and .22LR, is cheaper. But of the center fire rifle calibers the only thing that is even close is 7.62x39. And, due to the nature of ARs, you can always buy an upper for a more exotic caliber later.


Other than that, you have lots of choices. I would have no problem owning Armalite, Bushmaster (which I do own), Colt, Rock River Arms, or DPMS. The only reservation I would have is that, from what I've heard, a Colt may not be compatible with other brand uppers, due to a difference in pin size. Could someone chime in on that?

Here is my advice on options. I'm a minimalist, so take it with a grain of salt. Don't spend money on lots of options, unless you have an articulated need for it now. The AR is extremely modular. You can always add on different stocks, grips, rails, and all the accessories that go on rails later. It's easy, most can be done with a screwdriver and five minutes. Buy a stock AR, shoot it, find out what you need and like, then start adding on.

The sole exception to my advice would be getting a rifle with a removable carry handle and a rail for mounting an optic sight. That is the one thing that is hard to work around. It is very difficult to mount an optic sight on a rifle with a fixed carry handle. There are adapters and such, but most of those will put the sight very high up. You'll probably find yourself wishing for a removable carry handle and it's cheaper to pay the extra $100 now than to spend several hundred on a new upper or even a new rifle down the road.
 
I have to respectfully disagree... I own a RRA and could not be happier. I've had it for quite some time now and have put over a 1,000rds through it... and not one problem...at all.

I'm pretty sure that RRA is also standard issue for the DEA and also for other LE departments as well.

Here's mine... It's 5.56mm... which is what I recommend.

Feel free to disagree.

I said RRA makes a good product, but they don't make the best, plain and simple. Many do a better job... some don't...

They don't chrome line their barrels standard, don't use milspec parts, dremel their feedramps, don't MPI test their bolts...

FWIW, I own some RRA products...
 
I have to respectfully disagree... I own a RRA and could not be happier. I've had it for quite some time now and have put over a 1,000rds through it... and not one problem...at all.
1,000rds is a far shot from getting a good feeling from a rifle especially an ar-15 type. the differences between these ar's; the typical shooter will not see and will not need,if you shoot it here and there then it won't make a difference to you.

alot of guns will go 1000rds with out a problem: that happens on a daily basis. that is not a good measure of a great rifle.
 
RRA Quality

FWIW..
RRA is not mil-spec, and cannot hold dimensions like the
biggest AR manufacturers. There is a very good reason
why the two top AR makers make and sell,so many weapons.

The DEA bought RRA....so.?? The job went to the cheapest bidder !!!
What does a bean counter care about an agent ?

Mike
 
The best gun I own...

and the one(s) that I have the most fun with are the AR15s in A2 configuration that I shoot Highpower Rifle with. That's 5.56 all the way from 200 to 600 yards. I've learned more about rifle shooting from that configuration of AR than I would have believed. Still learning.

There is a terrific course of fire and competitive match series that is shot every weekend all over the country that ends at the National Matches at Camp Perry that can ONLY be shot with a service rifle configuration AR15.

So, that would be my pick.
 
Personally, I don't care whether a barrel is chrome lined or not. I don't even know where to find corrosive primers in 5.56 and I don't spend extend time in Disneyland and supposedly, a non-chromed is marginally more accurate.

I do think that Mike's point on trends on the courses saying a lot is quite valid (but even that could be a bit speculative).

But, back to OP's question--It does really depend on what you're doing with it.

As a generic answer, if I could only have one--5.56. Then a 6.8. Then a 458 socom. Then a 9mm. Then a 50 BMG.
 
204 Ruger - use stock mags and flat shooter. Don't give me that crap about surplus ammo cost savings - there ain't any left - might as well reload for a winner.
 
I would just like to put in a heavy plug for what Jim Watson said. Unless you really want to deer hunt with your AR (6.x), hunt bigger stuff (.50 Beowulf), or...I dunno, can only shoot pistol ammo at your range (9mm) I can't think of any reason to buy anything but a .223/5.56 rifle.
There's three reasons for an alternative caliber right there. I've got two ARs in 5.56, and I enjoy shooting them - they are by far the most accurate rifles I own. Also in my stable is a .45 ACP HK USC, which is reasonably accurate out to ~75 yards, which is about as far as I'm liable to be plinking with it anyway. If I ever put a sighting device on it, I suspect its effective range may get better. But it's a truly fun gun to shoot - the bullets are so slow relative to my other rifles that you can actually glimpse their travel when firing from the hip and correct to get on target - a wee bit like firing with tracers.

And while I don't rely on longguns for HD, if I had to dance with zombies in my inner-city neighborhood, I'd much rather be blasting at them with .45 than 5.56.

All that being said, the main motivation for putting together a "modern Tommy Gun," i.e., a .45 AR, is because I want to shoot .45 caliber bullets with it. That's all the reason I need.

If you're only going to have one AR (heh, heh) though, I guess I would start off with a 5.56/.223.
 
I currently have a 223, 9mm and am probably going to end up w/ one in 308 too. IMO, fantastic platform in whatever caliber you prefer :D
 
MMcfpd,

I agree there are uses for non-5.56 caliber ARs. But I hate to see someone recommend 6.5 Grendel, .458 SOCOM, or something like that to, what appears to me to be, a fairly new AR shooter. No dig at those calibers or anyone that recommended them.

My philosophy is start off with a caliber that is easy to find, cheap, and comfortable to shoot. I bought a .40 S&W (Glock 23) as my first handgun. Five years later, I'm very happy with it and I love it as a carry gun. But when I was a college student and broke as a joke, I cussed myself for not getting a 9mm that would have been cheaper to feed.

That's my opinion, anyway. I guess it's worth what you paid for it. :D
 
I've got a RRA on the way. Just so I'm better informed about what I've got, what's the downside of not having a chrome lined barrel? And the dremeliing of their feedramps. Is that bad?

Do I have to do a special "break-in" of this thing like the DPMS LR 308? Or can I just take it out and light up the range? I'm getting it on Monday.
 
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/7.62x39mm/

I saw DPMS makes an AR-15 in 7.62 x 39. I have never heard of anyone getting an AR-15 to fire this "commie" round which many associate with AKs and SKS rifles. I could see someone getting an AR-15 in .308 for example, but I'd like to hear the case for 7.62 x 39.

Does anyone have one of these? If so, why?
 
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