Which is better, Glock or Springfield XD??
- Thread starter savage22
- Start date
- Status
DenaliPark
member
Damn, if it wasn't for the unfair pricing of Glock, by God, the xd would be carried by cops & militaries worldwide...As it is, the world will just have to make do with the inferior Glock....What an evil conspiracy against the xd....
easyg
Member
I would like to see some of these stress tests you speak of.
Do you have more info?
A link or video perhaps?
Thanks,
Easy
hobodemon
Member
The issue with exploding Glocks is because the .40 cartridge that caused the malfunction was handloaded with once-fired brass, so the case is weaker. Since Glock barrels don't fully support the cartridge, they allow a weakened case to rupture. As long as you don't put used brass in it, a Glock .40'll be just fine.
Regarding the bullet though, yeah I try to avoid .40 Short and Weak too lol 10mm Auto was a great cartridge, and it's a shame it's not as popular as it should be
WardenWolf
member
Easyg, I don't have a link, but some guy deliberately abused his XD for a full year. Driving over it, throwing it off cliffs, etc. Basically he did everything he could to kill that gun. At the end of the year, it was still working, and it's now his nightstand gun.
As for the Glock issue, it's not just reloaded cases that have caused an explosion. The primary issue is bullet setback. I'm not sure why, but the .40 S&W bullet is more easily pushed deeper into its case during loading. Just 1 millimeter is enough to double the pressure inside the casing. When coupled with the Glock's poorly supported chamber, this equals KABOOM. The other issue is that the Glock .40 is actually just a slightly modified Glock 9mm. Rather than building on the stronger .45 platform, they chose to use the same components as the 9mm version, but with a different barrel, which has reduced thickness due to the larger round. People on this very forum have confirmed this with calipers. So despite the fact that the Glock .40 is firing a more powerful round, its barrel and chamber are actually WEAKER. It's also been shown that around 25% of Glocks are capable of firing slightly out of battery. While that's not normally an issue, it will certainly aid a casing in letting go if the slide isn't quite closed by allowing it to push back and expand excessively. Fact is, Glocks have a KNOWN history of safety problems, which Glock still has failed to correct. I cannot respect or place my life on a product like this.
As for the Glock issue, it's not just reloaded cases that have caused an explosion. The primary issue is bullet setback. I'm not sure why, but the .40 S&W bullet is more easily pushed deeper into its case during loading. Just 1 millimeter is enough to double the pressure inside the casing. When coupled with the Glock's poorly supported chamber, this equals KABOOM. The other issue is that the Glock .40 is actually just a slightly modified Glock 9mm. Rather than building on the stronger .45 platform, they chose to use the same components as the 9mm version, but with a different barrel, which has reduced thickness due to the larger round. People on this very forum have confirmed this with calipers. So despite the fact that the Glock .40 is firing a more powerful round, its barrel and chamber are actually WEAKER. It's also been shown that around 25% of Glocks are capable of firing slightly out of battery. While that's not normally an issue, it will certainly aid a casing in letting go if the slide isn't quite closed by allowing it to push back and expand excessively. Fact is, Glocks have a KNOWN history of safety problems, which Glock still has failed to correct. I cannot respect or place my life on a product like this.
REAPER4206969
Member
*sigh*
DenaliPark
member
Quoted as a beautiful example of cluelessness....serious cluelessness...
Six points for Glock, and half-a-dozen points for the XD. I prefer the Glock for fit, and more readily accessible after-market parts.
My opinion and a buck-fi'ty will get you a cup-o'-joe in some places. I suspect the opinion doesn't count for much.
Geno
My opinion and a buck-fi'ty will get you a cup-o'-joe in some places. I suspect the opinion doesn't count for much.
Geno
WardenWolf said:
Well WW I do have some actual links to tests of Glocks that we can all look at, not just memories of a site.
The first and most famous is Chuck Taylor's Glock which had 100,000 rounds through it back in '95 and last I heard he was up to 250,000 but I don't have a link for the updated figure.
http://www.volny.cz/glock/html/tested.htm
And as for being ran over by a car, tied to the bumber and drug, buried in sand, mud etc...and then dropped out of an airplane here's one with a Glock that even has pics!
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
You sure that was an XD you saw in those tests and not a Glock?
The XD is a similar design and it's made in a country where labor rates are lower. It should be price-competitive. But when it was known as the HS2000, the gun didn't sell, even at $300.00. You're happy to pay nearly twice as much, now that it's marketed by Springfield Armory.
Actually, Glock barrels are one of the reasons they can be made so cheap. The machinery needed to make them doesn't grow on trees. But once it's in place, high quality barrels can be churned out on the cheap.
Aside from any "unfair" price difference, XD wouldn't catch on with many departments because it's single action, and it's not as easy to maintain.
Last edited:
DenaliPark
member
"Uhh" my post was "sarcasm!"The XD is a similar design and it's made in a country where labor rates are lower. It should be price-competitive. But when it was known as the HS2000, the gun didn't sell, even at $300.00. You're happy to pay nearly twice as much, now that it's marketed by Springfield Armory.
Actually, Glock barrels are one of the reasons they can be made so cheap. The machinery needed to make them doesn't grow on trees. But once it's in place, high quality barrels can be churned out on the cheap.
Aside from any "unfair" price difference, XD wouldn't catch on with many departments because it's single action, and it's not as easy to maintain.
kev778
Member
Looking to get the XD sub-compact in .40. Anyone tried out the sub-compact?
cencrunner
Member
Had a Glock 17, shot it alot, great gun. Now have a XD 45, haven't shot it much yet but it acts like it is going to be good too. Personal preference.
DustyVermonter
Member
Okay.....(inhales)....(exhales).......Glocks
Lord Palmerston
Member
XD's are very good pistols, GLOCKS are excellent pistols.
IMO, GLOCKS are better because:
1. Very simple conception, fewer parts hence more reliable and less prone to failure.
2. Always goes bang. Even if it is dirty or sooted.
3. Almost indestructible. Your great, great, great grandchildren might well inherit your GLOCK which will still shoot reliably. See torture tests.
4. Great trigger, short pull and very quick. Much better than other polymer guns.
5. Interchangeability: parts, barrels, etc.
6. Huge aftermarket options. Customization is very easy.
7. Logical concept: line starts with .380 AUTO and goes up till .45 ACP. Internally all the weapons are the same. Well the .380's are blowback locked. Therefore if one decides to start with 9 Luger, progression towards heavier calibers is much easier. (Incidentally, I cannot understand why BATFE does not allow GLOCK to sell .380's in the USA.)
8. GLOCK line covers all usual autoloader calibers and some non usual, such as .45 GAP and 10 mm. This is a great advantage vs. other brands, which only offer two or three possibilities.
9. Good and efficient customer service.
10. Last but not least, moderate price.
IMO, GLOCKS are better because:
1. Very simple conception, fewer parts hence more reliable and less prone to failure.
2. Always goes bang. Even if it is dirty or sooted.
3. Almost indestructible. Your great, great, great grandchildren might well inherit your GLOCK which will still shoot reliably. See torture tests.
4. Great trigger, short pull and very quick. Much better than other polymer guns.
5. Interchangeability: parts, barrels, etc.
6. Huge aftermarket options. Customization is very easy.
7. Logical concept: line starts with .380 AUTO and goes up till .45 ACP. Internally all the weapons are the same. Well the .380's are blowback locked. Therefore if one decides to start with 9 Luger, progression towards heavier calibers is much easier. (Incidentally, I cannot understand why BATFE does not allow GLOCK to sell .380's in the USA.)
8. GLOCK line covers all usual autoloader calibers and some non usual, such as .45 GAP and 10 mm. This is a great advantage vs. other brands, which only offer two or three possibilities.
9. Good and efficient customer service.
10. Last but not least, moderate price.
DustyVermonter
Member
(OP) Quote: "Which is better, Glocks or Springfield XD's"?
(me) Quote:Okay.....(inhales)....(exhales).......Glocks
(Czguy) Quote:Glock's what? I believe in economy of words, but....
That was a very simple answer to a very simple question, and while I am no expert, I am of the opinion that Glocks are 2nd to none as far as reliable defense tools go.
Everything I have experienced with my Glock's so far leads me to believe that they are the best all around.
(me) Quote:Okay.....(inhales)....(exhales).......Glocks
(Czguy) Quote:Glock's what? I believe in economy of words, but....
That was a very simple answer to a very simple question, and while I am no expert, I am of the opinion that Glocks are 2nd to none as far as reliable defense tools go.
Everything I have experienced with my Glock's so far leads me to believe that they are the best all around.
DustyVermonter
Member
XD's are very good pistols, GLOCKS are excellent pistols.
IMO, GLOCKS are better because:
1. Very simple conception, fewer parts hence more reliable and less prone to failure.
2. Always goes bang. Even if it is dirty or sooted.
3. Almost indestructible. Your great, great, great grandchildren might well inherit your GLOCK which will still shoot reliably. See torture tests.
4. Great trigger, short pull and very quick. Much better than other polymer guns.
5. Interchangeability: parts, barrels, etc.
6. Huge aftermarket options. Customization is very easy.
7. Logical concept: line starts with .380 AUTO and goes up till .45 ACP. Internally all the weapons are the same. Well the .380's are blowback locked. Therefore if one decides to start with 9 Luger, progression towards heavier calibers is much easier. (Incidentally, I cannot understand why BATFE does not allow GLOCK to sell .380's in the USA.)
8. GLOCK line covers all usual autoloader calibers and some non usual, such as .45 GAP and 10 mm. This is a great advantage vs. other brands, which only offer two or three possibilities.
9. Good and efficient customer service.
10. Last but not least, moderate price.
Yes, these are my thoughts as well
IMO, GLOCKS are better because:
1. Very simple conception, fewer parts hence more reliable and less prone to failure.
2. Always goes bang. Even if it is dirty or sooted.
3. Almost indestructible. Your great, great, great grandchildren might well inherit your GLOCK which will still shoot reliably. See torture tests.
4. Great trigger, short pull and very quick. Much better than other polymer guns.
5. Interchangeability: parts, barrels, etc.
6. Huge aftermarket options. Customization is very easy.
7. Logical concept: line starts with .380 AUTO and goes up till .45 ACP. Internally all the weapons are the same. Well the .380's are blowback locked. Therefore if one decides to start with 9 Luger, progression towards heavier calibers is much easier. (Incidentally, I cannot understand why BATFE does not allow GLOCK to sell .380's in the USA.)
8. GLOCK line covers all usual autoloader calibers and some non usual, such as .45 GAP and 10 mm. This is a great advantage vs. other brands, which only offer two or three possibilities.
9. Good and efficient customer service.
10. Last but not least, moderate price.
Yes, these are my thoughts as well
easyg
Member
Just do a google search for "Glock torture tests" and you will see plenty that should convince even the greatest skeptic that Glocks are extremely tough and rugged.
When it comes to tough, Glock sets the standard that other pistols are measured against.
Bullet setback is rare, and easily avoided.
And it can cause a "kaboom" in any firearm, not just Glocks.
Generation 3 and Gen 4 Glocks do not have poorly supported chambers.
Not true.
Again, not true.
This has been "shown"???
Where did you see this?
Having shot Glocks for many years, yes even .40 caliber Glocks, I have to disagree with you.
Stay away from reloads and bare lead, keep your Glock in a holster that covers the trigger and trigger-guard, and keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and the Glock is 100% safe.
There's a few things I like about Glock, aside from the ergonomics and action type.
1. Parts: Glock parts are easy to acquire and install, yourself. Mags are cheaper and near indestructible.
2. Finish: Sure, keep telling yourself it's the same thing.
3. Support: XD's are popular in the U.S. But considering the entire world market, Glock is a hundred times as big. The support will always be there. If the frame on your Glock every disintegrates from UV degradation, sometime around the year 2300, Glock will still be around. They'll replace your frame for a mere $40,000.00, which by that time will buy a pair of sneakers. In comparison, XD is just a local, passing fad.
4. XDM? How bout taking 50 dollars off the price of the gun, instead of selling it in a case the size of a suitcase full of generic kydex toys? I'd be much more interested in an XD if it was cheaper than a Glock. I think the XD could really dominate the Sigma-class pistol market. Considering the aftermarket support, that's probably where it belongs.
1. Parts: Glock parts are easy to acquire and install, yourself. Mags are cheaper and near indestructible.
2. Finish: Sure, keep telling yourself it's the same thing.
3. Support: XD's are popular in the U.S. But considering the entire world market, Glock is a hundred times as big. The support will always be there. If the frame on your Glock every disintegrates from UV degradation, sometime around the year 2300, Glock will still be around. They'll replace your frame for a mere $40,000.00, which by that time will buy a pair of sneakers.
In comparison, XD is just a local, passing fad.4. XDM? How bout taking 50 dollars off the price of the gun, instead of selling it in a case the size of a suitcase full of generic kydex toys? I'd be much more interested in an XD if it was cheaper than a Glock. I think the XD could really dominate the Sigma-class pistol market. Considering the aftermarket support, that's probably where it belongs.
Last edited:
Hedgemeister
Member
Just traded my xd for a glock. I guess I made my decision.
- Status
Similar threads
