Don't own a 9 right now ( 9mm Kurz I do) Sold them all since we are not allowed to buy the good stuff (except corbon). The 357 sig is a 9mm, and is hotter than +p+ 9mm, you can buy it without being a cop, so I figured the standard 9 was now irrelevant. Wait a minute, since I own two 357 sigs, I guess I do own 9mm's afterall!!! iamkris, In Illinois, the law says it must be carried in a suitable firearms container, shipping box, -or other suitable container; or disassembled, and rendered inoperable. Get a Glock, or Steyr, remove the slide -barrel assembly, stick it in your pocket with the loaded mag, stick the frame in your other pocket, Presto! disassembled, and inoperable condition. With either of these two pistols, 3-4 seconds, and you are shooting. Not as good as being armed, but better than nothing. Some in Illinois are using the fanny packs made to carry a pistol. (A container specifically made to carry a firearm) Unload the pistol, put in fanny pack with loaded mag, Presto again! You have complied with the law. Check out concealcarry.org out of Chicago! Daly is really pissed about this, along with a lot of other Illinois buttheads----er!---I mean politicians, also a lot of cops. Illinois State Police don't know what to do, so are doing nothing for now. (Mayor Daly :banghead: Blagojevich :banghead: ) Damn, isn't life grand ha, ha.