MicroBalrog
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IIRC, this was unproven, but nevermind.
Who has been the worst president in our history???
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IIRC, this was unproven, but nevermind.
Glock Glockler
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Check your facts, Micro, Bin Laden was a major liability to the govt of Sudan and they wanted him gone.
Hkmp5sd
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Nope. Even Clinton admitted it happened.
Zundfolge
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posted by Sean Smith
And for those who can only see U.S. history as a saga of evil, tyrannical white people with no redeeming qualities at all, well, you can go run off and put on black eyeliner and listen to Depeche Mode while the grown-ups talk, m'kay?
Dammit Sean ... now I gotta clean the coffee off my monitor
IMNSHO FDR would be the worse president ... followed closely by Wilson.
Clinton was a bafoon ... but he really didn't accomplish enough of the things he wanted to to make the "worse" list ... now had he got his socialized medicine thing through then he'd be between FDR and Wilson.
telomerase
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True. Of course earlier presidents were more limited in how bad they could be, because more of the checks and balances still functioned. You could make a case that Lincoln did the most damage relative to the limited power that he was initially given. (He did kill more Americans than both WWI and WWII combined, and he did it with Minie balls!)
GW is not in the running, because he is the first Emperor, not the last President.
SaguaroFox
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Unfortunately, GWB has given us socialized medicine. Boy needs to figure out what side of the Left/Right argument he's on. IMO he's been a GREAT foreign policy leader but hasn't done much good on the domestic side apart from the tax reduction, which is a major plus.
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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Carter. No other President managed to have America so enfeebled or despised for weakness. He never seemed to realize that he WAS our great national malaise.
glocksman
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Woodrow Wilson.
Manuvered the US into WW1 (and supported the allies before that), which led directly to the Russian Revolution, the Depression, and WW2.
In fact, the 1930's Neutrality Laws were a direct reaction to Wilson's shenanigans.
Indirectly, this man has the blood of hundreds of millions on his hands.
Manuvered the US into WW1 (and supported the allies before that), which led directly to the Russian Revolution, the Depression, and WW2.
In fact, the 1930's Neutrality Laws were a direct reaction to Wilson's shenanigans.
Indirectly, this man has the blood of hundreds of millions on his hands.
I will always love the fact that the name Bill Clinton our 42nd President appears next to Andrew Johnson our 17th president as Impeached Presidents. A couple of other notable clowns,Richard"resigned before being impeached" Nixon and Jimmy"have a bag of peanuts" Carter. ....Whit
HBK
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Ky, that's the stupidest thing I've ever read on these forums...and that's saying a lot.
SaguaroFox
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What HBK said.
Unisaw
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Another "What HBK said."
Bigjake
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yet another "what HBK said"
Cactus
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And yet he still managed to do what Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter couldn't: defeat the Soviet Union without firing a shot. Imagine what he could have done if he wasn't a "senile old man"!
Michigander
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A lot of the things mentioned that make for a bad President are actually the doings of Congress, with the approval of the President.
If the CSA was a legitimate confederacy, as many THR'er have professed, then Lincoln would probably be the worst President ever. State's rights started down the tubes then, no?
If the CSA was a legitimate confederacy, as many THR'er have professed, then Lincoln would probably be the worst President ever. State's rights started down the tubes then, no?
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I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Hoover. Not that I believe everything I have read, or was taught, but when I was in high school he was given the honor of “worst President everâ€. I think he was unfairly blamed for the great depression.
I took American History when Ronnie Ray-gun was still in charge and my teacher tried (unsuccessfully) to convince me he was the span of Satan. Of course this was the same teacher that had to take time off to help with Paul Simon’s brief Presidential campaign.
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I took American History when Ronnie Ray-gun was still in charge and my teacher tried (unsuccessfully) to convince me he was the span of Satan. Of course this was the same teacher that had to take time off to help with Paul Simon’s brief Presidential campaign.
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Balog
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Sean Smith:
Whatever one may think of the legitimacy of the secession, I don't think it can be argued that Lincoln did a number of things to expand the power of the fed.gov as the supreme law of the land over both the rights of states and the Constitution. I never said he had no redeeming features, nor do I listen to Depeche Mode or wear makeup. But I guess when you can't win the argument, calling your opponents clueless and/or dishonest neo-confederates who are immature freaks is the next best thing, eh?
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races....I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
The Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858, edited by R. W. Johannsen. Oxford University Press, New York, NY:1965. pp. 162-163"
Whatever one may think of the legitimacy of the secession, I don't think it can be argued that Lincoln did a number of things to expand the power of the fed.gov as the supreme law of the land over both the rights of states and the Constitution. I never said he had no redeeming features, nor do I listen to Depeche Mode or wear makeup. But I guess when you can't win the argument, calling your opponents clueless and/or dishonest neo-confederates who are immature freaks is the next best thing, eh?
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races....I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
The Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858, edited by R. W. Johannsen. Oxford University Press, New York, NY:1965. pp. 162-163"
Balog
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Oh, and my top five would be: Lincoln, FDR, Bubba, Wilson, and Carter.
Langenator
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In the last 100 years, my vote would have to go to LBJ. He beats out FDR.
My scorecard:
LBJ-
Good-support for civil rights
Bad-Vietnam, massive expansion of a relatively minor war
-massive, massive expansion of the welfare state (AFDC, Medicare/Medicaid, HUD, etc-the'Great Society'"
-GCA of 1968
FDR-
Good-WWII. Nazism/Fascism/Japan-ism was a huge stinking blot of evil. FDR froze Japanese assets and "goaded" them into war after the Japanese invaded China. Does the Rape of Nanking ring a bell here? And Hitler and Mussolini declared war on us. Yes, Truman finished it, but does anyone doubt that FDR would have done the exact same thing.
Bad-the New Deal.
-Court Packing threat
-NFA 1934
In the entire history of the Republic, Buchanan has to be thrown in there. The king of Fiddling while Rome burns.
My scorecard:
LBJ-
Good-support for civil rights
Bad-Vietnam, massive expansion of a relatively minor war
-massive, massive expansion of the welfare state (AFDC, Medicare/Medicaid, HUD, etc-the'Great Society'"
-GCA of 1968
FDR-
Good-WWII. Nazism/Fascism/Japan-ism was a huge stinking blot of evil. FDR froze Japanese assets and "goaded" them into war after the Japanese invaded China. Does the Rape of Nanking ring a bell here? And Hitler and Mussolini declared war on us. Yes, Truman finished it, but does anyone doubt that FDR would have done the exact same thing.
Bad-the New Deal.
-Court Packing threat
-NFA 1934
In the entire history of the Republic, Buchanan has to be thrown in there. The king of Fiddling while Rome burns.
I too wonder about the sick passion that sees the Civil War "refought" at the slightest opportunity in any thread imaginable. If someone opens the door to it a crack, the topic just barges in and hijacks it.
And silly me anyways, wasn't Lincoln kinda of enabled by Beauregard, who when in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor and then started firing on in in April 1861 when the Fort wasn't surrendered? Nah. Lincoln started the war dammit, you know, when he was elected. Back then inaugeration was in March, not January like it is today.
And silly me anyways, wasn't Lincoln kinda of enabled by Beauregard, who when in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor and then started firing on in in April 1861 when the Fort wasn't surrendered? Nah. Lincoln started the war dammit, you know, when he was elected. Back then inaugeration was in March, not January like it is today.
I'm not sure about this arquement either. It's like saying the anti's could get rid of guns if they would just buy out the inventory from the manufactuers....moving on,
Any president who placed Federal rights above States rights (or States rights above municipalities) deliberately moved our nation away from the intended notion that each individual is capable of governing themselves. Even the purest President would be guilty of these crimes considering the expansion of our Nation forced the respective administrations to stay ahead of the potential power of the land owners. But Lincoln set precedence, while noble and honorable, his administration did not properly resolve the immoral slave issue, without damaging the intended effect of Articles IX and X.
Joe Demko
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Actually, he happened to be the guy standing watch when the cumulative efforts of lots of people who came before him finally bore fruit. Since it is traditional that, whatever happens on your watch, you get the credit or blame for it, I can see why you want to give him sole credit.
MicroBalrog
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The guy that violated Posse Comitatus, and burned his own citizens alive?
You rock Golgo!
While we're at it: Reagan = FOPA 1986.
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