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Who's had negative Glock experience??
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Crimp
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I have a negative Glock experience each time I see a thread like this.
Beowolf1911
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I have fired them on many occasions they worked great they were accurate and reliable but not as much as the fan boys say, Just because Tommy Lee Jones says you can poor sand down the barrel doesn't mean you can. They offer a product in almost any size you could want, but if one doesn't fit your hand basically none of them fill fit your hand. My big reason for not getting one is that they, and almost any polymer framed gun, limp wrist too easily. It is a trade off, you might not mind it but to me I would rather go with a heavy steel frame that shoots and feeds even if you have a poor grip on it. My brother in law has a few of them and they work great, the one he carries has a laser built into the trigger guard "incase I have to shoot from a bad angle" which struck me as odd since the gun will most likely jam if you stick a hand out at an odd angle and shoot it.
Hokkmike
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My only negative Glock experience is that I don't have one.
If you ask a subjective question, you are not going to get youself more info than you had before. I own two Glocks for 13-15 years, and have owned 3 or 4 others, and never had a problem other than a broken guide rod. Now if you asked what guns have you experienced problems with, the list would be much longer than just 1 name.
I found that the recoil from my Glock 27 was just too much to enjoy shooting. Got "glock finger" from the stupid trigger after 2 boxes of ammo. It wasn't even necessarily my concealed carry weapon so I didn't see the need to keep it. I sold it a few months later to my cousin. My friend's G23 seems to have alot of "snap" to it, even for a .40s&w. I'll probably end up getting a 26 someday because I liked the Glock sub-compact, just not in .40 cal.
I must be like you in that I think Glock makes better 9mm guns than .40s. Other handguns, however, shoot the .40s&w quite well. My XD40 for example handled the .40s&w cartridge amazingly, and made it fun to shoot. Recoil wasn't harsh whatsoever.
jfh
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Glock 20 blowup:
My 20 ka-boom happened 10 years ago, IIRC--at any rate, it was the day that sick Willy proclaimed that "...(he)-did-NOT-have-sex-with-THAT-woman." Arguably, it was the first 20 ka-boom in the US; I'd had it on order and picked it up a month earlier, in December, when Bill's Gun Shop got the first shipment in.
FWIW, this was my third Glock: I'd started with a 17L (used in club competition) and bought a 19 as well for SD and home defense. I had loaded 1000s of 9mm lead reloads for these guns. It was also about the time that reports of Glock ka-booms had finally made it into the press--not much Internet chat in the early-mid Nineties, remember--and speculation for the reasons was mounting. The St. Paul PD armorer I spoke to about it (they were one of the first PDs to adopt a Glock) had heard of them in the PDs, and it was his informed opinion they occurred because of squib loads, typically in PD practice ammo; factory rounds or reloads--didn't matter.
This was the third range visit; in the preceding two, about 200 rounds of factory TMJs were shot through it to burnish the barrel. At about round 250, I started loading my standard 10mm reloads I had developed for use in my Springfield Armory Omega and my 1006--basically, a softball load that barely made Major: starline brass, WLP, 4.9 gr. of 231, under a 200-gr. LSWC. Out of the 6" Omega, they ran about 920 or so. These rounds had been loaded 'some time' before, on a Lee Pro 1000, and I had built 1000s of them and never had a problem with loading errors or with shooting them in the Omega (which also has a polygonal barrel).
In the midst of a 'measured' rapid fire drill, at about round 283, I suddenly felt a stinging sensation in my shooting / right hand--and then I noticed the slide was missing from the pistol. As I looked at my chest and stomach to see if it was stuck there, the rangemaster came running in and ordered a cease fire. I looked up to see him and others peering around the partitions.
It turned out that the slide had launched itself off the pistol over my left shoulder and traveled about six to eight feet back to hit the sheet metal cover over the ventilation system, causing a loud clank that got everyone's attention.
The guy two stalls down was an MD, and he examined my right hand--other than the sensation of a bad sprain on my index / trigger finger, and a small blood blister forming, there appeared to be no injury.
Meanwhile, someone else had retreived the slide. It was significantly twisted up, really noticably distorted, and the barrel had split at about the 4:00 position from the breech forward. The receiver was undistorted, but rails had been torn off it and parts were missing. See this picture.
At any rate, the experience did tend to ruin the day.
I called Glock the next day to report this, and all I got was a "gee, I'm glad you weren't more seriously hurt" comment from the receptionist; not even a transfer to Customer Service.
I next contacted Winchester, and they requested I send them the parts and the remaining ammo. I did this, and eventually I got a written report and the parts back.
They'd straightened the slide enough to remove the barrel (how it looks in that photo), and disassembled the remaining ammo and analyzed the charge. For the ammo, they typically found about .1 to .2 grain less than the stated recipe (I'll bet their scale is more accurate than my Lee balance beam), and that the rounds conformed in LOA, etc., etc. to accepted (re)loading practices. They did conclude that it was a massive overpressure incident, or words to that effect, and wrote a truly masterful letter of CYA dodging-and-weaving that covered all manufacturers concerned.
So, could it have been a double-charged case / reloading error? Yes; I can't prove it was not. However, I strongly doubt that, and no evidence of a squib-followed-by-a-shot-exists. The barrel split, period. Personally, I buy into the polygonal rifling / leading issues.
I'd like to believe Glocks have evolved and been improved. The comments I read today focus much more on the unsupported-chamber issues. At any rate, the incident soured me on shooting Glocks--so I sold the other two and went on to enjoying 1911s.
Personally, I would not shoot reloads in a Glock of any date and of any caliber without replacing the barrel with an aftermarket one designed for better chamber support and with conventional rifling. But that's just me.
Jim H.
My 20 ka-boom happened 10 years ago, IIRC--at any rate, it was the day that sick Willy proclaimed that "...(he)-did-NOT-have-sex-with-THAT-woman." Arguably, it was the first 20 ka-boom in the US; I'd had it on order and picked it up a month earlier, in December, when Bill's Gun Shop got the first shipment in.
FWIW, this was my third Glock: I'd started with a 17L (used in club competition) and bought a 19 as well for SD and home defense. I had loaded 1000s of 9mm lead reloads for these guns. It was also about the time that reports of Glock ka-booms had finally made it into the press--not much Internet chat in the early-mid Nineties, remember--and speculation for the reasons was mounting. The St. Paul PD armorer I spoke to about it (they were one of the first PDs to adopt a Glock) had heard of them in the PDs, and it was his informed opinion they occurred because of squib loads, typically in PD practice ammo; factory rounds or reloads--didn't matter.
This was the third range visit; in the preceding two, about 200 rounds of factory TMJs were shot through it to burnish the barrel. At about round 250, I started loading my standard 10mm reloads I had developed for use in my Springfield Armory Omega and my 1006--basically, a softball load that barely made Major: starline brass, WLP, 4.9 gr. of 231, under a 200-gr. LSWC. Out of the 6" Omega, they ran about 920 or so. These rounds had been loaded 'some time' before, on a Lee Pro 1000, and I had built 1000s of them and never had a problem with loading errors or with shooting them in the Omega (which also has a polygonal barrel).
In the midst of a 'measured' rapid fire drill, at about round 283, I suddenly felt a stinging sensation in my shooting / right hand--and then I noticed the slide was missing from the pistol. As I looked at my chest and stomach to see if it was stuck there, the rangemaster came running in and ordered a cease fire. I looked up to see him and others peering around the partitions.
It turned out that the slide had launched itself off the pistol over my left shoulder and traveled about six to eight feet back to hit the sheet metal cover over the ventilation system, causing a loud clank that got everyone's attention.
The guy two stalls down was an MD, and he examined my right hand--other than the sensation of a bad sprain on my index / trigger finger, and a small blood blister forming, there appeared to be no injury.
Meanwhile, someone else had retreived the slide. It was significantly twisted up, really noticably distorted, and the barrel had split at about the 4:00 position from the breech forward. The receiver was undistorted, but rails had been torn off it and parts were missing. See this picture.
At any rate, the experience did tend to ruin the day.
I called Glock the next day to report this, and all I got was a "gee, I'm glad you weren't more seriously hurt" comment from the receptionist; not even a transfer to Customer Service.
I next contacted Winchester, and they requested I send them the parts and the remaining ammo. I did this, and eventually I got a written report and the parts back.
They'd straightened the slide enough to remove the barrel (how it looks in that photo), and disassembled the remaining ammo and analyzed the charge. For the ammo, they typically found about .1 to .2 grain less than the stated recipe (I'll bet their scale is more accurate than my Lee balance beam), and that the rounds conformed in LOA, etc., etc. to accepted (re)loading practices. They did conclude that it was a massive overpressure incident, or words to that effect, and wrote a truly masterful letter of CYA dodging-and-weaving that covered all manufacturers concerned.
So, could it have been a double-charged case / reloading error? Yes; I can't prove it was not. However, I strongly doubt that, and no evidence of a squib-followed-by-a-shot-exists. The barrel split, period. Personally, I buy into the polygonal rifling / leading issues.
I'd like to believe Glocks have evolved and been improved. The comments I read today focus much more on the unsupported-chamber issues. At any rate, the incident soured me on shooting Glocks--so I sold the other two and went on to enjoying 1911s.
Personally, I would not shoot reloads in a Glock of any date and of any caliber without replacing the barrel with an aftermarket one designed for better chamber support and with conventional rifling. But that's just me.
Jim H.
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High Planes Drifter
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My brand new GLOCK 19 jammed the first time I brought it to the range multiple times. I shipped it out to the factory yesterday. I'll post an update when I hear something from the factory.
Its a shame, I actually really liked the little gun. I shot it well, I was consitantly hitting pie plates with it at 25 yards, it was comfortable to carry, and I bought an extra mag for it(giving me a total of 3). I guess I had high hopes thinking I had found a great little carry gun.
Its a shame, I actually really liked the little gun. I shot it well, I was consitantly hitting pie plates with it at 25 yards, it was comfortable to carry, and I bought an extra mag for it(giving me a total of 3). I guess I had high hopes thinking I had found a great little carry gun.
Firepower!
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DENALI
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Hello there TennVol, you've had two KB's on two seperate pistol's, one with factory ammo? Hmm, if I was you I'd be on my way to the casino or off to by a lottery tickie.................As to Glock charging you for the new pistol, if they did, they're saying you were at fault. Were you?
XDKingslayer
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People complain about Glock silence on issues. As much as I hate their weapons, they handle known problems just like every other company on the planet. Especially the auto industry.
When something goes horribly wrong with a Ford model line, Ford doesn't just issue a recall. Their beancounters and lawyers get together and weight the cost of doing the recall against the cost of not issuing it and dealing with potential lawsuits.
They go with which ever one costs them less.
Granted there is much more to the equation, but that's the bare bones of it.
How much would Glock be out if they issued a recall? How many pistols of that model have been sold that Glock now has to pay the shipping, repair, and parts of, even on models not sold yet?
Usually much more than just being quiet and waiting for them to trickle in when the few people that have them break at 30k rounds send them in.
It's business. Simple business.
weisse52
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+1
You can get the same reaction is you ask what the best 1911 is.
Dain Bramage
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Lessee, my G30 failed to feed some weird-profile JSWCs that came in a bowling bag full of ammo I bought from a friend-of-a-friend. I also had some hard primer issues with one box of MSM ammo, which didn't go away with a firing pin channel cleaning, but never happened again with other ammo. Even other MSM.
That's about it.
That's about it.
Not surprisingly, the blown up G20 involved hand loads... 99% of all kabooms I've researched involved hand loads...
Not that factory ammo can't be hinky. I just received another batch of CCI Blazer .45 ACP where cartridge length varies up to 1/8". The short ones will not feed properly, and may well be over-pressured due to bullet set-back. I will send a pic of this faulty ammo later...
My Glock Experience To Date:
G17
Rounds Fired: 9,500+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: None. Performance Has Been Flawless.
G19
Rounds Fired: 9,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Four FTFs Traced To One Faulty Magazine. Gun Has Been 100% Flawless Since Replacement--Including 33-Round Magazine.
G21
Rounds Fired: 10,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Six FTFs Traced To Faulty Ammo. Two FTFs Traced
To New Shooter's Grip. Otherwise Gun Has Been Flawless. This .45 ACP is 100%, And Is My Bedside Gun.
--Ray
Not that factory ammo can't be hinky. I just received another batch of CCI Blazer .45 ACP where cartridge length varies up to 1/8". The short ones will not feed properly, and may well be over-pressured due to bullet set-back. I will send a pic of this faulty ammo later...
My Glock Experience To Date:
G17
Rounds Fired: 9,500+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: None. Performance Has Been Flawless.
G19
Rounds Fired: 9,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Four FTFs Traced To One Faulty Magazine. Gun Has Been 100% Flawless Since Replacement--Including 33-Round Magazine.
G21
Rounds Fired: 10,000+
Parts Replaced: None
Repairs Made: None
Failures In Firing Cycle: Six FTFs Traced To Faulty Ammo. Two FTFs Traced
To New Shooter's Grip. Otherwise Gun Has Been Flawless. This .45 ACP is 100%, And Is My Bedside Gun.
--Ray
Joe the Redneck
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Here is how not to have a negative experience.
Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.
Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.
Joe
Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.
Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.
Joe
Waywatcher
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Polygonal rifling and lead don't mix... most KB's are attributable to reloads.
if more people started shooting Kahr P9 with lead reloads you'd hear all about Kahr KB's.
There's a huge amount of glocks out there and its just a matter of time until someone blows one up witha faulty reload--its just statstics. Theres about 99.99% of glock owners who never have one blowup.
The only Kaboom I have ever seen in real life was a S&W .357 shooting---you guessed it--reloads.
if more people started shooting Kahr P9 with lead reloads you'd hear all about Kahr KB's.
There's a huge amount of glocks out there and its just a matter of time until someone blows one up witha faulty reload--its just statstics. Theres about 99.99% of glock owners who never have one blowup.
The only Kaboom I have ever seen in real life was a S&W .357 shooting---you guessed it--reloads.
Quack
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not my experience, but one i heard of (from a guy also picking up a gun) when i was picking up a G19 from my FFL. the guy put his G19 away in the old tupperware box with a round chambered & shot his pinky off. didn't that label say not to put a loaded Glock away in the tupperware?
anyways, my experience has been all positive.
anyways, my experience has been all positive.
Glock
For reliability, weight, accuracy, cost, and every other measurement possible. The Glocks, especially the Model 23, are the best handguns ever produced. Especially for self defense and combat. Thats my opinion based on owning them and many other pistols. I like other designs better for the range (1911's).
For reliability, weight, accuracy, cost, and every other measurement possible. The Glocks, especially the Model 23, are the best handguns ever produced. Especially for self defense and combat. Thats my opinion based on owning them and many other pistols. I like other designs better for the range (1911's).
jaysouth
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Mine has it in for ME!!
When I shoot it, it won't hit crap.
When my buddies shoot it, it tears ragged fist size holes in a 25 yard target.
Maybe a lorcin or hipoint would treat me a little better. I do feed the ingrateful thing after all.
When I shoot it, it won't hit crap.
When my buddies shoot it, it tears ragged fist size holes in a 25 yard target.
Maybe a lorcin or hipoint would treat me a little better. I do feed the ingrateful thing after all.
possum
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all the glocks that i have owned or shot have been 100% reliable, and plenty accurate. i don't care for the grip angle and the size but that isn't the fault of the pistol. they are great guns that deserve all the hype that they get. i owned a 19 but no longer do. but that isn't to say that i wouldn't have one again or that i wouldn't carry one if the chance preseted itself. i sold the 19 to buy my 2d xd!
Hold On There Partner!
Here is how not to have a negative experience.
1) Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.
2) Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.
Joe
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1) Sound advice, always! No gun fits everybody equally well.
2) Either that, or add a $100.00 aftermarket barrel designed for exactly that purpose: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=238
The OEM barrel/chamber is an integral part of the Glock's legendary reliability. Tight enough for accuracy. Loose enough for reliability--in environmental extremes. You may recall that the ultra precise German Lugers, seized up at the Russian Front... A Glock will cycle under water.
The OEM chamber is a bit loose for reloading purposes, as it allows the case to swell a little, thereby weakening the case wall. That fact, along with the factory rifling (which squeezes a little extra velocity from the bullet, but is prone to lead fouling), is the reason an aftermarket barrel is suggested for shooting naked lead reloads. No secrets there.
To the small extent that I care what people think, I take some offense to the Kool-Aid analogy. I possess a reasonable intelligence, and make decisions based on personal experience and correlated facts. My personal experience with G17, G19 & G21 has been excellent. That said, I recommend them. Were the inverse true, I'd advise against them with equal conviction.
It is what it is...
What's more, I've had a good experience with a KKM .45 ACP : 10 mm Conversion Barrel, shooting Double Tap ammo from my G21! It's about 90% reliable as is, but I'm still tweaking... The gun is 100% in .45 ACP mode.
I see no reason an aftermarket barrel and reloads could not be tweaked to 100% reliability in your climate and locality.
--Ray
Here is how not to have a negative experience.
1) Try before you buy. They do not fit every hand well.
2) Also, look at you gun and say, "I will never, for any reason, regardless of what I am told or may believe, fire reloaded ammo through this weapon." If you can't live with that, don't buy it.
Joe
*****
1) Sound advice, always! No gun fits everybody equally well.
2) Either that, or add a $100.00 aftermarket barrel designed for exactly that purpose: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=238
The OEM barrel/chamber is an integral part of the Glock's legendary reliability. Tight enough for accuracy. Loose enough for reliability--in environmental extremes. You may recall that the ultra precise German Lugers, seized up at the Russian Front... A Glock will cycle under water.
The OEM chamber is a bit loose for reloading purposes, as it allows the case to swell a little, thereby weakening the case wall. That fact, along with the factory rifling (which squeezes a little extra velocity from the bullet, but is prone to lead fouling), is the reason an aftermarket barrel is suggested for shooting naked lead reloads. No secrets there.
To the small extent that I care what people think, I take some offense to the Kool-Aid analogy. I possess a reasonable intelligence, and make decisions based on personal experience and correlated facts. My personal experience with G17, G19 & G21 has been excellent. That said, I recommend them. Were the inverse true, I'd advise against them with equal conviction.
It is what it is...
What's more, I've had a good experience with a KKM .45 ACP : 10 mm Conversion Barrel, shooting Double Tap ammo from my G21! It's about 90% reliable as is, but I'm still tweaking... The gun is 100% in .45 ACP mode.
I see no reason an aftermarket barrel and reloads could not be tweaked to 100% reliability in your climate and locality.
--Ray
Lonestar49
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However..
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I don't own a Glock, but..
I did stay in a Glock Inn the other day and I got what I paid for..
Ls
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I don't own a Glock, but..
I did stay in a Glock Inn the other day and I got what I paid for..
Ls
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