I was taught to shoot an M16A2 way back when, but was taught to really run and fight an M4, which includes stuff other posters have mentioned like shortening the LOP for a modern squared off (or very slightly bladed) stance when standing, etc.
Why a collapseable stock AR?
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A full size A2 stock is way too long for me to shoot squared up. I almost always shoot squared up, so I need a shorter stock. I never even adjust it, I just leave it one click from fully collapsed. If I could find a fixed stock of that length, I would have no problem using that.
No one is ranting or raving about the collapsible stock. It serves its function to a lot of people. Just because you like the full-size fixed stock for your purpose doesn't mean it fits other folks' requirements.
i have a collapsible stock, it stays in the 2 position, never changes, as a matter of fact i am thinking about going to the ctr for the friction lock feature, and the ctr is a bit more robust and sturdy imho.
the sully stock is a great option form defensive edge. it is a fixed stock approx the same length of pull of between the 2-3 position on a collapsible stock.
the sully stock is a great option form defensive edge. it is a fixed stock approx the same length of pull of between the 2-3 position on a collapsible stock.
Because I wanted mine to be 16 inch carbines with collapsible stocks primarily, and because Im 6ft tall, my wife is below 5ft tall, she has short arms, and has trouble with rifle stocks.
Why, so I could choose the adjustable stock I wanted, and I wanted an AR that feels balanced, portable, and can be kept in a smaller case if I feel like it. I only extend the stock when im going to fire it, aside from that its always collapsed.
Because I wanted one to be an M-4 based rifle.
Why, so I could choose the adjustable stock I wanted, and I wanted an AR that feels balanced, portable, and can be kept in a smaller case if I feel like it. I only extend the stock when im going to fire it, aside from that its always collapsed.
Because I wanted one to be an M-4 based rifle.
because out of 6 shooters in my family, i have to have it all the way extended, and my youngest has to have it all the way collapsed....
now should i buy a different rifle for all 6 of us, or just ONE that will FIT all of us....?
now should i buy a different rifle for all 6 of us, or just ONE that will FIT all of us....?
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I think that may have been what he was insinuating. But the thing is, non-automatic, civilian-length Title I AR-15's have never been issued by any military on this planet, AFAIK; they are exclusively civilian guns, unlike the Winchester Model 70, the Remington M700, or the Mossberg 500 12-gauge. Their "design purpose" is civilian target shooting, defensive purposes, hunting, and civilian law enforcement, not "war" like the Brady Campaign would have people believe.
All of my reasons have been listed by other members.
The adjustable LOP comes in handy since my wife is a foot shorter than I am, as a matter of fact my little sister started shooting with an AR, when she was 12.
I like a short LOP. Cutting 1.5" out of my 590 stock was kind of a pain, and it smelled funky when I ran the saw through it to cut it off, and then used the beltsander to flatten it out. With the M4 and CAR stocks on my ARs, shortening the LOP was much easier.
I wasn't allowed to have one for ten years.
The adjustable LOP comes in handy since my wife is a foot shorter than I am, as a matter of fact my little sister started shooting with an AR, when she was 12.
I like a short LOP. Cutting 1.5" out of my 590 stock was kind of a pain, and it smelled funky when I ran the saw through it to cut it off, and then used the beltsander to flatten it out. With the M4 and CAR stocks on my ARs, shortening the LOP was much easier.
I wasn't allowed to have one for ten years.
When I bought my latest AR (a Rock River), I wasn't looking for a collapsible stock, but that's what was on all the AR's at the shop. This included RRA, Bushy and Stag.
I wouldn't have ordered the RRA with that stock, but now that I have it, I do like it better then the fixed type.
I wouldn't have ordered the RRA with that stock, but now that I have it, I do like it better then the fixed type.
I like the look of an M4, but not enough for it to be a necessity-- I was "raised" on the A2, and its all we got when I was in the Corps (91-96-- 0331/8531)...I still like the A2, and probably that is what I will get- -maybe I will go for a flatop receiver if I get a good deal, but full size is probably the way for me (barrell and stock)-- although probably because also I won't be wearing body armor. I admit that with my deuce gear and flack, that sholdering and the lop of an A2 was sometimes a chore...
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This is also the same length as the older M16A1/Colt SP1 style stock and the Cavalry Arms C1 stock.
I don't like the A2 length all that much for all purpose shooting. Also, my wife likes shooting with the stock much shorter than the A2.
What is wrong with having the option to shorten or lengthen the stock according to the needs/wants of the person behind the weapon?
What is wrong with having the option to shorten or lengthen the stock according to the needs/wants of the person behind the weapon?
I have a telescoping stock on my shotgun, the reason its their is because my dad is taller than me, and my shooting buddy is shorter than me. It allows us all to use the gun comfortably, also the recoil reduction helped make the purchase justifiable.
Honestly unless you have a family or group of people who shoot the same gun (assuming this isnt a gun for combat) who are different sizes I dont see a need for a collapsible stock. A sheriff i know told me the reason he has a collapsible on his weapon is because it makes getting around in tight spaces easier with it all the way collapsed but if he is outside he adjusts it to where it really should be for him.
Honestly unless you have a family or group of people who shoot the same gun (assuming this isnt a gun for combat) who are different sizes I dont see a need for a collapsible stock. A sheriff i know told me the reason he has a collapsible on his weapon is because it makes getting around in tight spaces easier with it all the way collapsed but if he is outside he adjusts it to where it really should be for him.
Just to throw it out.. I personly change the length based on shoting postion I do fully extened for prone but standing i prefer fully colapsed and third hole for the bench
An A2 stock is just a smidge long for me. I saw some shorter ones for sale that I'm going to use when I build my 20 in AR.
Why not... 'Nuff said!!
But, I use mine at different lengths depending on if I'm using the magnifier knock-off or just the Eotech... The magnifiers eye relief changes what is comfortable.
Still 2 Many Choices!?
But, I use mine at different lengths depending on if I'm using the magnifier knock-off or just the Eotech... The magnifiers eye relief changes what is comfortable.
Still 2 Many Choices!?
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I have a tele stock for my home-built AR for those times when storage concerns are paramount, but I generally keep my A1 stock mounted.
Getting into and out of a humvee was much easier with the M-4 than the M-16. Still carried the M-16, even with a choice of basically whatever I wanted.
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