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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Holgersen, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. Holgersen

    Holgersen New Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Something I have run in to a lot while I have bought firearms. I am only 24 years old and when I walk into a gun store they almost never give me the time of day. I'll have 5 or 6 hundred dollars in my pocket to buy a gun right then and there and everyone just stares at me like I don't have any business being there.

    Last time I walked into a gun store to buy some .45 ammo everyone looked at me like I was going to rob the place. I was wearing a polo shirt and khakis!!

    Anyone have this problem?
  2. rmodel65

    rmodel65 New Member

    Oct 6, 2008
    i open carry to the gun store so they know why im there, to buy ammo or to shoot on the range

    im 26(but look 18-19)
  3. bigione

    bigione New Member

    Mar 29, 2009
    south central SD
    I would do two things. One, look in a mirroe. If you see something wrong, change it. Two, shop at a different store.
  4. c919

    c919 Active Member

    Apr 30, 2009
    where else? TN.
    Yes. I do.

    To be honest, I understand your complaint all too well.... Im 22 and Iv been shooting guns my whole (however short) life. Im married with a child and Im a huge stickler for gun safety and Im decently well educated when it comes to firearms (much like every other gun enthusiast I know), but....

    .... Never the less, I still get treated like some thug or idiot punk in some gun stores. Now, I will say that I have my gun stores/ranges in town that i frequent where Im treated great, known on a first name basis, and enjoy every visit, so its not every where (and even these places took a couple visits to warm up to me).

    I dont have tattoos or piercings and I dont dress like a hoodlum (typically I can be seen wearing a button-down and jeans). Im polite and interested, but some gun stores that I dont regularly spend hundreds of dollars in definitely give me the freezing cold shoulder (unless of course Im with my beautiful wife, then they have all day to talk and shoot the breeze).

    I will say though, the main place in town that pulls the "youre to young to know anything even though your considering spending $700 with me" crap, seems to be, for the most part, just people working for low wages, trying to cover up the fact that they cant answer my questions, and doing so with condescending remarks.

    Dont let it get to you. Its just part of it. Think of all the people our age that come in gun stores like "lemme see dat gat 9 wit da clip dat holds 40". And all of the people who will look all day and take up their time without spending a dime.... It just sucks but thats our generation. Im not justifying the profiling and stereotyping but its not surprising to me.

    Just do what I did and find a shop/shops that are just happy you are a young guy who is interested, safe, and spends money.
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2009
  5. Zangetsu

    Zangetsu Member

    Oct 9, 2007
    25 here, and am very familiar with that complaint. I simply don't buy from stores where the salesman knows less about everything than I do; if a casual hobbyist like me can find 15 minutes to google something that it's your job to sell, there's no reason I should have a larger and better knowledge base than you. Sad to say though, that means that out of all the stores/ranges I've come across, I was only comfortable buying from two, and one of those two got closed a few years ago :( However, the one that's still open is everything that a gun store should be, so no major issues :)
  6. kyo

    kyo Member

    Mar 30, 2009
    sometimes I really feel its because i look middle eastern. I went in to get some golden sabers at a store one time and I swear every guy was staring at me thinking "*** do you know about 45's and guns and ammo?" like i wasn't supposed to be able to have a gun. I try not to go there anymore and avoid it as much as possible even though it is right down the road from me, about 5 miles.
    I will drive 15 miles to the place that respects my money, and to other locations that give good customer service. It isn't all about the businesses though, like my example above included the other customers too...
    edit- i am 24
  7. george29

    george29 Participating Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    Land of Entrapment
    Some gun stores have a policy of hiring complete @sses. Find one you are comfortable with.
  8. happygeek

    happygeek Participating Member

    Apr 13, 2009
    Are you a civilian in an area near a big military base going to a gun store that has mostly military patrons?

    I've never noticed this in any of the 3 stores I go to. I was just at the one store today on my way to the range and the guy seemed more than happy to answer my question about an AR upper and sell me some ammo and targets even though I wasn't going to their indoor pistol range.
  9. maskedman504

    maskedman504 Active Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    State Line Road KS/MO
    I am 25 and have experienced the disregard you can receive in a gun store.

    I believe much of it stems from "kids" going into store and fondling every firearm and never finalizing a purchase; if you were a car salesman, you would get tired of young tirekickers quickly.

    One time I got brushed from a salesman for asking about corrosive ammo; the best thing you can do is indicate that you are a serious customer and that you are ready to make a purchase today; you can say something like "I have spent a few weeks and have decided on something like this" (while you are holding their example)." If you identify yourself as a customer and are still mistreated, ply your custom elsewhere,
  10. Birdmang

    Birdmang Participating Member

    Jun 14, 2009
    I get really nervous when purchasing a gun, not that I have any reason not to, I just get all tense. It really shows on me physically and the sales guys can really tell. Hopefully it will wear off soon. The place that I frequent has great sales guys and the more tense I get, the nicer they become. I am 21 years old, college educated, gun and safety educated, but I tend to ask tons of questions because there is always more to learn!

    I only shop with cash and would not buy from somewhere that treated me like crap.
  11. TheFallGuy

    TheFallGuy New Member

    May 27, 2009
    I mainly frequent a few places but do so regularly. I too am young (22). I have a beard though so some think I am much older then I am. My favorite gun shop/bait shop/sporting goods store is your typical small town gun store run by a typical old man in his late sixties. If you walk in, he will give you the time of day, 7 day weather forecast, show you pictures of his grand kids and talk for hours on end. He is a little spendy though but it is a small town in the middle of nowhere. I have had good luck at Gander and Fleet Farm.

    Dick's Sporting Goods is the one that I always have trouble with. They really are dicks there. They refuse to special order guns or stock left handed guns (i am a lefty and always offer to pay up front). They will not let me handle a firearm at all. If I ask a question, they either don't know the answer or make one up to get rid of me. Needless to say I avoid them like the plague.

    I recommend going somewhere else. This is the USA and gun shops are a dime a dozen in most places. If it is a big box store like Dicks, Gander, Sportsman's Warehouse, etc, complain to a supervisor. But do it politely and make sure the supervisor knows you have cash in hand. Chances are, he/she will be pretty nice.
  12. 2RCO

    2RCO Participating Member

    Aug 15, 2007
    Holgersen--I am 30 and until about a year ago had the same problem at shops that I didn't frequently do business with. It might be the knakis and polos because that is what I was/am usually wearing as well. The dealer I buy the most stuff from gets the bulk of my business because he treated me well when I was younger, broke and would wander into his store to drool over guns and BS on my lunch hour. It took a few years but he gained a good customer by not being a jerk. I probably shouldn't admit this but I rarely go over a week without buying a gun, add this to the fact I need rarer and neater (see more expensive) toys to feed the habit = I'm not a bad customer to have. The other local store that treated me like a moron and had the all knowing egos hasn't been able to sell me a gun since 2003.
  13. N003k

    N003k Active Member

    Nov 21, 2008
    19 here and I know what you mean, I have one shop I don't have the problem in, probably has something to do with being taken there all the time when I was younger with my father, and my father knowing the co-owner, so they just recognize me right off the bat.

    However another shop I go into, I can't get help for the life of me, sometimes even when I ask they'll still brush me off....as such, I now just look around there, and won't even buy ammo from them....shouldn't have to struggle to get service afterall!

    My appearance probably doesn't HELP, but I don't look like a hoodlum either (Longish hair, tend to wear carhartt tshirts and pants, and a pair of boots)...maybe they just think I'm a broke teenager they won't be able to get to buy something? I don't know....but hey, their loss I suppose.

    Personally, I'd suggest just looking around for a shop where they ARE polite, even if you don't intend to buy that DAY, make sure they realize you DO intend to buy, just are undecided, and remember, also make sure you don't take up their time if they're busy and you're not buying that day, that isn't going to win you friends really...just wait around til it dies down a bit if you can, afterall you're in a gun shop, why rush out? :D
  14. kyo

    kyo Member

    Mar 30, 2009
    I don't care how I look. If you don't like my black pants, and my black shirt, or even my torn up jeans and tank top, I don't care. Sales/service is an acting job, I know from almost a decade in the restaurant business. I don't care if you are the ugliest guy on earth, I will smile at you and take your order and serve you whatever you want.
    These guys don't get that. And thats why they go under. I won't support a shop that thinks I am a criminal or thinks of me in a bad light just cause they are old and I am young. Most people forget that old people die, and young people get old. And when young people get old they like to keep their habits. Meaning going to the same place over and over again, and avoiding the rest.
    I will say I like having this type of consumer power. It is a very silent killer.
  15. seanie!

    seanie! Member

    Apr 17, 2009
    I'm 25 and I'm tattooed, pierced, have long hair, and usually wear a black band shirt with black or camo pants. There are several gun shops around me: Gander Mtn; Dick's; another larger, classier gun shop; and two smaller shops. You would imagine I'd get more attitude at the smaller, private owned mom and pop shops than I would at any corporate stores, but it's the exact opposite. I'm frequently ignored at the larger chain stores, and whenever I go into the smaller shops, I'm usually there for quite a while conversing with the employees.

    The way I see it is this: If you're not going to give me the time of day, I'm going to reciprocate the same. The chain stores usually have slightly better deals, but I'm willing to spend(within reason) more money at a shop that I actually seem welcome in than one that I'm not.
  16. Davek1977

    Davek1977 Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2008
    I guess I've never had that sort of experience. Ever since I was old enough to be the least bit interested in guns(I'm 31 now), I've been treated quite well in most gun shops. My hometown gun shop has been "doing business" with me since I was 12, allowing me to handle any and everything (some days literally, I'm sure) in the shop, answering any questions, and always greeting me by name and with a smile. I've gotten this treatment for 18 years from this establishment, and its not at all because I've purchased a lot of guns there. I can only honestly remember purchasing two....about once a decade, LOL. Other shops have treated me similiarly, with adult supervsion (as a child/teen) or without. However, as seanie! pointed out, I'm more likely, it seems, to be ignored at biogger chains like Sceels and Cabelas thann I am in smaller shops. Then again, I'm never clamoring for too much attention in those stores anyway, knowing I can get a better deal on my gun of choice elsewhere
  17. lamebums

    lamebums New Member

    Nov 22, 2008
    Northern Kentucky
    20 here, been there, done that. They've never gotten my business again.
  18. dkk73

    dkk73 New Member

    Apr 4, 2006
    Well, I've occasionally had this experience.

    I hesitate to *assert* I know why, but I have some thoughts, so I'll just speculate for your amusement.

    (1) age, (2) "other", (3) attitude for no reason
    where "other"=race and "what culture they figure I'm from"

    e.g. I go into a store with a couple of big fat older white guys who are grouchy and sit around all the time complaining about how everyone else is stupid for not agreeing with them. I'm younger (not as young as I look by far), in shape (for military work and for health), mixed-race, and very educated. I'm polite and friendly, but somehow I don't come across as "one of them".

    Mind you, we haven't even talked politics yet! I just don't "smell right". I might be a terrorist, or gay, or worse yet... a liberal.

    They people are shooting their own business and their own cause in the foot.

    Thank god they are the vast minority!!!

    Most gun shops I've gone into are friendly, interesting, and helpful. I've gone *miles* out of my way to patronize these places. Interestingly, a lot of small internet businesses are filling the gap with high-end friendly service. e.g. Rainier Arms, Bravo Co., (no personal connection to either)

    As for #3, I do remember a place a few years ago that had so much moneyed attitude it was ridiculous. This was on the Eastside of the Seattle area, so lots of hummer-driving Microsoft conservatives, lots of money. The salesman was all wind (blathering on about a Sig to some yuppie) and clearly didn't think I was going to spend money.
    This is just retail prejudice that happens to be in a gun shop. It rankles, but ultimately my money went elsewhere.

    Now back in LA, I saw some guys come into gun stores that made me want to run or hit the deck. ;) So I guess we all have some prejudice...
  19. FourNineFoxtrot

    FourNineFoxtrot Member

    Jun 24, 2007
    I'm 24, a caucasian male, pretty big guy with a goatee and usually wear a t-shirt and cargo shorts. I don't look like anything, really. In fact, I try to be about as nondescript as a guy my size can be.

    Most places I've been were pretty good, had some people try to sell me a story because they figure I'm dumb, but that's mostly it.

    Only strange encounter I ever had was last year, I went into a gun store in Albuquerque looking to buy a box of 9mm hollowpoints (and this was back when stores still had them!). Older guy, he looks at me like I'm half a bubble off plumb, and asks "Why do you want hollowpoints?" like the word made a bad taste in his mouth. "We don't carry those..."

    Oookay. I just nodded and smiled like this wasn't baffling to me, and left and never came back. Look at me like I'm some sort of troublemaker because I ask for basically the most common type of self-defense ammo in existence? Sure, pal. Maybe you ought to go back to selling fishing lures or whatever...
  20. Match14

    Match14 New Member

    Dec 2, 2006
    South/Central Indiana
    I'm 24 as well, from my experience it seems that some places just aren't very customer friendly while others are. How those people stay in business is beyond me. I have to admit though, I am not likely to walk into a gun store and purchase a firearm. All the ones I go to seem to have higher prices than at the gun shows. Also it seems to me that people at the gun shows are more willing to negotiate. I often feel that gun store owners don't want to negotiate prices due to my age. Oh and I don't dress like a hoodlum either.

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