Why choose a Commander's 1911?

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I have seen several threads about Commander-sized 1911s these days. What I don't understand is why?

I have full size 1911s and several compact/officer's size guns. The hardest part of the gun for me to conceal is the grip; barrel length doesn't really hurt me in concealment. Contrary to Internet "wisdom" my Officers-sized guns run as well as the full-sizers.

So if full-sized is best for range use, and Officers is good for carry, what role does the Commmander fill? I am going to get one at some point, but mainly to round out the collection.
 
Some find the Commander just feels and shoots better, for them.
Then there's the fact the Commander holds one more round, or two with the 8 round mag.
 
I carry a WC Colt Commander, and I own two other commanders. The full size sits just a little too low for me when I'm driving, but the commander is perfect. I don't want an Officer model because I just don't like them. Internet warriors and wannabe instructors with irrelevant opinions has nothing to do with my decision.
 
Sit in a car for an hour with one of each and then come back and let us know what you prefer.

A Lightweight Commander is about the perfect 1911 based CCW. Jeff Coopers choice for his own carry back in the day, and good enough for Willie too.

Make mine in .38 Super please.


Willie

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Best of both worlds.....

I'd say the ideal carry gun/1911a1 format would be a steel Officer's model frame(lower) & a CDR type slide/barrel(upper). ;)
It would offer good concealment plus the longer 4" Commander type 1911 barrel.
Author, sworn LE officer & training expert; Massad Ayoob has said the big part of a concealment pistol is the size/width of the frame not the barrel/slide.
To my knowledge, a Kimber 1911 .45acp with a set-up(officer frame, CDR barrel/slide) was very popular with US Navy SEALs who needed a concealed pistol for PSD(personal security or bodyguard) missions in the early 2000s.

With the proper weight & balance, this could be a great carry 1911.
 
There's not much difference to be sure, but I like the balance of the Commander better and it conceals just a little better in an OWB holster that requires a cover garment, which it the only way I like to carry a 1911. It works both ways though, just as there is little advantage to the Commander over the Standard, there is also little advantage in the other direction. I don't think you can go wrong either way, but for me the Commander is very slightly preferable.

I have no experience with the Officer's Model sizes. Now that I have a Kahr PM45 and have had no problems with it, I doubt I'll ever look into a 3" 1911.
 
My Commander fits well in my purse and can easily be drawn and aligned to target. Due to my Dad's insistence I practice three times a week drawing from my purse (my preferred method of carry) I am more confident with the Commander than I would be with Dad's "full size" 1911.

Since eventually someone is going to tell me my 38 Super isn't as "good" a cartridge as Dad's .45 I can only say that while the .38 may not have the energy of the larger .45 I am rather certain a ball or two in the "breadbasket" will convince an aggressor he may have made an error in judgment escalating the situation to where shots are fired.
 
I feel that the shorter barrel and slide balance and point better for me. Also, much more comfortable while sitting, as stated above.
 
My Commander fits well in my purse and can easily be drawn and aligned to target. Due to my Dad's insistence I practice three times a week drawing from my purse (my preferred method of carry) I am more confident with the Commander than I would be with Dad's "full size" 1911.

Since eventually someone is going to tell me my 38 Super isn't as "good" a cartridge as Dad's .45 I can only say that while the .38 may not have the energy of the larger .45 I am rather certain a ball or two in the "breadbasket" will convince an aggressor he may have made an error in judgment escalating the situation to where shots are fired.
"Good" isn't the same as "good enough". I think your .38 Super would make me act right.
 
I have found over the years that the Colt Commander and Combat Commander seemed to have the best feel, in terms of handling and balance, over that of the full size Government model. I also have an Officers Model and had a New Agent and the Commander format still works the best for me.
 
I have seen several threads about Commander-sized 1911s these days. What I don't understand is why?

I have full size 1911s and several compact/officer's size guns. The hardest part of the gun for me to conceal is the grip; barrel length doesn't really hurt me in concealment. Contrary to Internet "wisdom" my Officers-sized guns run as well as the full-sizers.

So if full-sized is best for range use, and Officers is good for carry, what role does the Commmander fill? I am going to get one at some point, but mainly to round out the collection.
Quality full sized 1911 makes wonderful range/target gun. What makes no sense is buying
smaller light weight stuff for CC. Remember the gun was designed to be carried in flap holster and empty chamber just like BHP. If one insists on carrying old war vintage piece for personal defense it should be Walther PP or Walther P-38.
 
Well, since I'm one of the guys shopping, let me try and answer.

I'll approach your question in two parts: Why not a 5", and why not a 3".

First, Why not a 5": I have two full size 1911's, and routinely carry one of them. I really like a 1911 as a carry gun because of it's trigger (easy to shoot well under stress) and it's thinness (it really is the most important dimension in concealing). I carry my 1911's strongside IWB with a cant, but I'd like to carry OWB. When sitting or bending over, the 5" gun's muzzle will push out on my pants well below the hem of my t-shirt. The muzzle sits 4" below my belt (measured on my holster with my prefered cant) but if I back the muzzle up 3/4" I get between 3/4 and 7/8" rise towards the beltline (depending on exactly how the holster is cut) And this rise happens to be EXACTLY the dimension that is annoying me. YMMV. In addition, I've had a mid size RIA that pointed, and transitioned between targets better than my full size. In my hands, losing those couple ounces from the muzzle led to a gun that was appreciably faster to draw, aim, shoot, and transition. So easier to conceal, and easier to shoot well. Win win.

Now, Why not smaller: First, while many 3" 1911's are reliable, it's worth noting that a 1911 works on a balance of spring forces and movement speeds. Slide speed and weight, mag spring tension, mainspring tension, extractor tension and some others that I'm forgetting all work together to make for a reliable controlled feed. JMB designed all this on a 5" slide. He also elegantly designed the 1911 so that each part tends to do more then one thing. So as you start changing specs, and getting farther away from the original you have to exponentially change more stuff. And the design window for all of those parts to function together gets smaller. Less then 4" 1911's are IMO too far down that slide. They can be reliable, but the window for tolerances is too small so it's harder to get them there, and harder to keep them there as parts wear. Also a 1911 with 8 rounds is at the bottom of what I consider acceptable capacity for CCW so dropping another round doesn't help. Lastly, as I mentioned in my post about commander's I have both a bigger and a smaller carry gun, so if I'm to the point in wardrobe or concealment need that I would be require an officer's 1911, I just drop down to the pocket .380.

So after that long rambling post that's why a 4.25" 1911 fits MY CCW needs. Obviously people differ so it might not fit yours. But if a hypothetical CCW'er has settled on a 1911, then I'd bet their requirements are similar to mine, just do to the kinds of thought process gun compromises that lead one to end up with a single stack, SA CCW. ANd this hypothetical person will probably, like me, find that a Commander is the goldilocks of 1911's. Not too big, not too small, but just right.

Hope that gives you an insight into one guy's thought process.
 
Your conclusions are wrong. The need to disengage slide lock and light crisp trigger offers no advantage under stressful situations.
 
PS. Quite honestly most out there would be better served with G30S if they wanted .45Auto for CCW. I would think buying few pairs of slacks one size larger than normally worn should not present a great obstacle to anyone. If one wants more traditional options (hammer driven striker) there is second hand market for S&W CS45, alloy framed 45xx or new offerings from Sig Sauer.
 
Your conclusions are wrong. The need to disengage slide lock and light crisp trigger offers no advantage under stressful situations.

Why would you ever need to disengage the slide lock after drawing? That's not how I carry my 1911. A good trigger will most certainly offer advantages. Accuracy is more important than speed; always. This thread isn't about 1911s vs. xyz.
 
4"....

In my humble opine, a defense(carry) .45acp bullet needs at least a 4" barrel for adequate expansion & cycles. ;)
You can get 100% feeding/performance from FMJs or hardball but a JHP or expanding round is far better for CC/protective uses.

Rusty
 
Why would you ever need to disengage the slide lock after drawing? That's not how I carry my 1911. A good trigger will most certainly offer advantages. Accuracy is more important than speed; always. This thread isn't about 1911s vs. xyz.
I would not feel comfortable sliding 1911 into a holster with round in chamber hammer in cocked position and lever in down position.
 
I have full sized in.45 and .38 super. I have a Colt defender in 9mm. My next gun will be a commander. I just have to decide which one. I think i have narrowed down to Colt XSE or STI Duty One 4.0. Need doesn't enter the equation, this is a "want" purchase.
 
My Commander fits well in my purse and can easily be drawn and aligned to target. Due to my Dad's insistence I practice three times a week drawing from my purse (my preferred method of carry) I am more confident with the Commander than I would be with Dad's "full size" 1911.

Since eventually someone is going to tell me my 38 Super isn't as "good" a cartridge as Dad's .45 I can only say that while the .38 may not have the energy of the larger .45 I am rather certain a ball or two in the "breadbasket" will convince an aggressor he may have made an error in judgment escalating the situation to where shots are fired.
More often than not, your Super has MORE energy than an ACP. Just not as big a hole.

I don't think anyone here is going to say boo about your caliber of choice. 38 Super has been getting used for social work to one degree or another since the Prohibition Era.
 

In that case, I'll simply say that no gun is perfect, and it's a personal choice. The negligible amount of time it takes me to hit the safety during my draw is worth that gain in accuracy on target that I get from the 1911. To each his own.
 
For 1911 pattern concealed carry

Max in Post 1 asked '...why.'

Why not? I can't understand why, for concealed carry, a Cmdr size 1911 pattern would'nt be first choice.

The Cmdrs are a handier carrying size but at a cost of, maybe, 75 fps muzzle velocity. The barrel doesn't 'pinch' my right cheek when seating. Neither does it 'thunk' when being seated on a solid surface. Balance suits me just dandy. In short, its 'just right'.
 
I have a 1991A1 full size, and a 1991A1 commander. Identical guns except for length. I can carry them both and do not find the grip size to be a problem. However, the extra barrel length on the full size makes it show under a tshirt much easier. The commander is much more concealable for me and doesn't give much up as far as controllability.
 
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