Why do gun owners like stupid women?

[Technosavant]

My fiancee will shortly graduate with a Doctor of Pharmacy degree, and her recall abilities are orders of magnitude greater than mine. I sought out a woman who I could relate to as an equal. She doesn't mind my shooting or my CCW, although she doesn't really wish to join me (she has gone to the range with me, it just didn't enliven her).

Stupid women? Maybe some of you like them; I don't know why. I like my smart one.

 

[Beren]

I don't know of any gun owner who likes "stupid women." If a man advises a woman on what firearm to purchase, it doesn't involve intelligence. The advisor, we would hope, has greater knowledge and more experience than the advisee when it comes to "what gun to get for ____." This may or may not be the case.

Of course, I tend to gravitate towards the intelligent, psychotic, insane ones. Or maybe those are the only ones interested in /me./

 

[Owen]

I used to work in a gun store.

A least weekly some dude would come in and want to buy a gun for his SO, or we would end up talking about his SO's gun.

It never stopped striking me how little these guys thought of their girlfriends/wives physical capability regarding recoil, as well as their ignorance regarding what it actually felt like to shoot the various guns. They would always select a blowback .380 over a 9mm, because "9mm is too much recoil for my little lady."

I don't why they thought a blowback .380 would be better for the SO. The sharper recoil, and heavier recoil spring almost always made the gun much less functional than, say, a 39xx S&W for a woman. Of course, the guy couldn't bring himself down to shooting that wimpy little thing to find out the truth.

I would usually ask them to bring her in, and I would let her shoot several different guns gratis (not popular with the management, until they realized I sold LOTS of guns). 9 times out of 10 they would go for a .38 revolver or one of the 39 series autos.

So here's the thing. If they guy is the gun nut, and realizes he doesn't know were to start when buying a gun for his SO, I am glad they ask.

Nothing will turn off a newbie like the wrong gun.

You know, like a PPK, where the woman doesn't have the hand strength to pull back the slide, the recoil is fairly abusive, and the slide is prone to removing skin.

 

[J Miller]

Why do gun owners like stupid women?
( )I like stupid women because they make me look smarter.
( )I like stupid women because I can tell her what to do and she doesn't talk back.
( )I like stupid women because stupid women are the only ones who like me.
( )I like stupid women because they make me feel manly.
( )I don't like stupid women, but I'm female.
( )I'm checking this box because I'm annoyed at all the other answers.
(x)I don't like stupid people. Doesn't matter which sex they are.


I married a very intellegent woman. Her ability at math and her creativity far exceeds mine. Her knowlege of guns however is no where near that of mine.
When we started going together she had been using a heavy barreled Mdl 10 S&W. That had been stollen so I had loaned her my K-38.
When we went shooting I took every thing I had and she shot it all. Made her own decisions on what she liked and what she wanted. All I did was coach her on the mechanics of each one.
In the end her choices of guns were in this order:
1911A1 .45 Auto ... full power ball equivelent loads.
.357 Mag DA revolver ... full house maggies, no whimpy .38s for her.
Marlin 1894 C .357 Mag ... again full house maggies.

She decided this by shooting those guns I and my friends had, not by research and or gun store shopping. Even gun shows didn't do much for her decisions, she looks at knives much more than guns.

As I said, she is very intellegent. I'm lucky to have her, and after being married to her for 22 years, I cannot imagine being married to a stupid woman.

Joe

 

[Third_Rail]

My fiancee (wife in three weeks) has a wonderful spirit, a mind completely of her own. She not only can make her own decisions, I always encourage such behavior. She's intelligent, funny, and she has the most wonderful personality I can imagine.


If I were to stop her from being so free, I'd lose the woman I love so much.



That said, she sure has different ideas than I do when it comes to firearms - she once said she wishes "Glock would made a 1911 with a polymer frame, then it'll be light AND sexy!". For reference, I'm more of a revolver person. She loves the AR-15 and the AK-47 clones. I like old rifles (WWI, WWII) and pump action .22s.

Do I mind that we have such different tastes when it comes to firearms? Nah. We're sure to have one of every type/style of action when it comes down to having a collection of firearms.

 

[halvey]

she once said she wishes "Glock would made a 1911 with a polymer frame, then it'll be light AND sexy!".

Kimber Polymer.

 

[pax]

Owen ~

Interesting post.

Working with women at the range, I'm often amazed by the guns they bring to shoot. It's just an exercise in frustration to try to get a newbie up to speed on an inappropriate gun. I've never decided whether it's worse when she brings something that's just waaaay too big for her hands, or something like a titanium snubby with full power loads. Either way, she is not going to enjoy the experience as much as she would if she had something more appropriate for her to learn on.

I guess that's one reason the "what do I buy for my wife" threads get under my skin sometimes. It's great that people are looking for advice, but the way the question is asked, I think a lot of folks are assuming that a gun that works well for one woman will work equally well for every other woman. But women vary in hand size, tendon flexibility, arm strength, and personal preferences about as much as men do. So a gun that works really well for an experienced woman shooter with strong hands may not be the best choice for a new shooter with arthritis. A gun that works well for a petite female with tiny hands may not be the best choice for a woman with large hands and long fingers.

If a guy came on here and asked, "What gun should I get? I've shot a little bit and enjoy shooting my friends' guns," and gave no other information about himself or his preferences, most of the follow up posts would be asking questions about him -- about his hand size, about his preferences among the guns he has shot, about his uses for the gun.

When a guy comes on here and asks essentially the same question about his wife, the follow up posts mostly assume that the guy's wife has small hands (not necessarily true), is completely a novice (maybe, maybe not), lacks the strength to rack a slide (probably not true), and is completely uninterested in learning about guns herself (the offensive premise of this thread). And they make suggestions based on those assumptions.

The thing is, women vary as much as men do. So the follow up posts really should be questions about her and her preferences -- questions she can answer, but he may be just assuming he knows the answers to. So even when people do ask the pertinent questions, the guy's answers may or may not be congruent with his wife's reality. With so much potential for error, it's really not the most efficient way to narrow down the choices.

On the other hand, most of the posts in this thread have made some good points. If you don't know a field well yourself, the natural thing to do is to find someone who does to guide you through it. The choices are overwhelming at first and an experienced hand can really help you narrow them down into something manageable.

Still thinking about this...

pax

 

[ARperson]

If I didn't know better, pax,

it would seem that you are trying to start something.

Several guys have said it, but the point was glossed over or otherwise missed.

You asked something along the lines of doesn't anybody have a girlfriend/wife with the intelligence to do her own research and make up her own mind (loosely paraphrased, to be sure).

So let me ask you this in response:

Situation A Currently I am married. When I am considering a new firearm purchase, I run the idea past my husband and see what he has to say. Then, I dig deeper into that head of his where all the boring technical data is stored and try and decide if my choice(s) are going to be acceptable based on the info I received from him. Then we, together, go the gun store and make the purchase. We go together because we enjoy all shooting related activities, not because I need him to help.


Situation B Two months from now my husband is taken from me and I am left alone to decide all things in my life. Once the grieving is over, I decide I want to add another firearm to the collection. Since the hubby is gone, I go to the other source of information, AKA www.thehighroad.org. I ask my questions, sift through the usable and unusable stuff, weigh those responses against my criteria and then go the the gun store by myself to make the purchase.

How does Situation A differ from Situation B other than my relationship to the people from whom I sought answers and the fact that I can't take the hubby along?

Furthermore, should I decide to bypass my husband and go directly to THR, is that any different from the situations above?

Are you saying that a gal is stupid because she didn't already know the information? Or are you saying that she'd be stupid for asking her husband for the information she seeks because she's too uncomfortable to ask a bunch of strange men on a website or the freaky looking guy behind the gun shop counter?

Seems like you've got the cart before the horse on this one and expect all women who show an inkling of interest to bust out of their comfort zone and join the fray.

 

[riverdog]

I'm not too fond of stupid women.

My GF was smart enough to know that the pistol her ex bought her sucked. When I saw a used Ruger SP-101 in my then favorite gunshop (now closed), I paid for it and then let her shoot it to decide who would fill out the yellow sheet. She shot it much better than her other gun and liked the heavier recoil So she filled out the yellow sheet and it's her gun.

I don't know why anyone would presume to know what someone else will like. It like some guy comes here and asks us what gun to buy his wife -- WTH? If he doesn't know, how are we supposed to know?

 

[pax]

Are you saying that a gal is stupid because she didn't already know the information? Or are you saying that she'd be stupid for asking her husband for the information she seeks because she's too uncomfortable to ask a bunch of strange men on a website or the freaky looking guy behind the gun shop counter?

ARperson ~

Neither, actually.

PM on the way.

pax

 

[bearmgc]

Somewhere in this thread were replies mentioning female passivity/dependence, and i think there still is a cultural bias toward females being passive and dependent, hence some men take the lead in looking for their S.O.s first CCW. Another question I've wanted to ask is, do single females who carry have trouble getting dates? I hope not, but would guess that some females would argue that having a CCW may intimidate men, that tey are interested in.

 

[mustanger98]

Here's another one of my angle's. My sister, who I've mentioned time to time, when she shoots, shoots her Taurus 2" .38spl and she's good with it. I've seen her shoot several time. Actually, we learned to shoot at the same time and she's four years younger than me. She just got married back in April and the guy's a ex-cop who does security part-time. They got to talking with his dad about her getting into security, which will require that she qualify with a .38, while LEO are required to qual with 9mm or .40S&W. Okay, when I think of an upgrade for her, I don't necessarily look at what I like, because she don't like my guns. She thinks mine are too heavy- 1911A1, etc. So, I got to talking with my buddy at the gun shop- she a petite lady, actually smaller than my sister, but they have about the same size hands, which is still no solid garantee. But, I have a better idea of the possibilities, when/if my sister can get over there to take a look. That compact Glock .40 ain't my first pick, but my sister could always hit anything with anything, so I figure she's quite capable of making the call. And she's not the afficianado I am either.

 

[gopguy]

I must be odd guy out. I like really smart gals. Always have. My wife of 18 years is a physician. She grew up in an anti gun household but was open minded after we married to learning how to shoot. Her first hand gun was a 3 inch barreled S&W .32 hand ejector. But she quickly moved up to a Sig 225 and a Sig 239 (9mm with tritium). We then sold off that little .32. She still likes wheel guns though. She has a S&W model 36 with a 3 inch barrel which she stokes with 125grain JHP ammo. She got her CHL last year and that Smith along with 3 speed loaders is her favorite for carrying. She also has a SureFire Executive flashlight and a Emerson CQC7......I think I got a smart one all the way around......Oh yeah. She also married me. Tim

 

[Titus]

Okay, maybe I missed someone else with this answer, but... In the case of my Ol' Ladee, she knows that if she can get me to buy the gun stuff, she'll have more money for the store where they put your new purse in a bag, in a box, in a bag. It's not that she can't make up her own mind, or doesn't get what she wanted, she's just smart enough to not have to pay for it herself.

 

[artherd]

Pax- I wish there were ten thousand women like you who understand they're if anything MORE likely to need to defend themselves with force, and then go furthur and grow the gumption to actually go out and GET a weapon, TRAIN with it, and develop the mindset to USE it!

Frankly, most women (and people in general, though this trend in my expierence populates the female sex in slightly greater numbers) have the self-esteem of a houseplant, and are more intrested in looking 'pretty' and acting on pure emotion all day long.

Bring me a good, smart, articulate, saavy, confident, independant, ambitious, and survival-minded woman, and I'll probally trip on myself asking her out Trouble is, they're one in a million, and seem to be all taken.

 

[Ryder]

Pax pax pax

Ignorance due to inexperience is not stupidity.

I know many things other's don't. Other's know many thngs I don't. Stupidness doesn't enter the equation. A smart person will seek advice from those perceived to be more experienced on a subject. Would a stupid person?

Stupidity is hard to identify at a glance. For example I saw a moped rider tonight on my way to work. He sure looked stupid to me, but who knows? I am certainly not smart enough to figure out how to breath through my mouth while wearing a helmet Some things it seems are destined to forever be a mystery to me. Maybe that's how it is with women and guns?

 

[Chuck Jennings]

In our family the wife and I discuss most purchases over a couple hundred bucks. It doesn't matter if it is a Firearm, Automobile, Stand Mixer, or sewing machine. We bounce ideas off each oither, and usually end up with a good choice.

 

[SomeKid]

Bear

Another question I've wanted to ask is, do single females who carry have trouble getting dates? I hope not, but would guess that some females would argue that having a CCW may intimidate men, that tey are interested in.

Sure as heck wouldn't intimidate me. I would welcome it.

IMO, a guy who is afraid of an armed woman is not a guy to be trusted. For the record, I encourage women to be armed. (Alright, I am also lazy. If all the women are armed, BGs really will be scared. Would you attempt to mug a woman who is definatly armed, and may be going through PMS?)

 

[Sean85746]

I can't tolerate a stupid woman

I guess that's why I picked a good one.

My wife isn't afraid to make a decision, and it is almost always the right one (read that as THE ONE I'D HAVE MADE).

She rarely says..."Whatever you want."

She has opinions, and expresses them.

ALSO...she has a marked preference for revolvers, and LOVES her Remington 870 with the Choate extender, and ghost ring sites!

No, I got smart, and was smart enough to marry one smart lady.

Though she had zero experience with guns when we met, she said..."I know you have guns, and if we are going to be together, I should know how to handle them properly."

Bless her heart...she is now a shooter as well as a revolver collector.

Not all gun guys like stupid women.

 

[coonan357]

pax I realized one thing yesterday when I went to my "local" I was standing there B.S.ing with my manager buddy and a couple walked in ,now one of the sales staff is a woman in he late 20's early 30's and carrys a kimber 45 , the Woman was much more able to connect to this sales person than the man was , I think that alot of it is women like men have a uncomfortable time communicating with member of the opposite sex when it comes to buying certain Items . especailly when they cost of them are exterme ( life and actual dollars) so maybe its a matter of guys like the safety of speaking with other men and women do the same .

 

[TWBryan]

Pax,
I would be happy if I could meet a woman that liked the same things that I do. IE guns. So far I haven't been able to locate anyone that does. The one's that are ,are already taken. I have no desire for a stupid woman, in fact I would rather be married to someone who is my intellectual superior. I wouldn't be worried about them making the right decisions if I wasn't around..

Sincerely,

TWBryan