Why do people say Glocks and other striker fired pistols are not Single Action?

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But if you have a misfire due to a light strike on the primer, and you CAN'T simply pull the trigger AGAIN and strike the primer AGAIN, then it's NOT A DOUBLE ACTION PISTOL.
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Second strike capability has nothing to do with determining if a pistol is double action.
 
BTW I was not hating on glocks, just trying to understand why a pistol that requires the slide be racked to reset the striker/trigger was being labeled as double action.

In my world double action meant the a simple pull of the trigger cocked and released the hammer. Like the orginal double action pistol, the revolver.

I now think the glock is either single or double action, but something of the hybrid of the two.
 
That is why my SigSauer P220 SA/DA with decocker blows any of the glocks out of the water. It's safer, stronger, and overall just better. And it's one of the most accurate guns out of the box imaginable. Of course you do pay more for that.

Which goes to answer saturno's question, even though it's rhetorical. Police and others chose the glock for only one reason Price. Glock made it cheap enough for them to buy in bulk. I have an entire state of state troopers, and I don't know of one that "Loves" it. Many say it's ok, pretty good, etc... These are usually brand new young officers who don't have a lot of experience with firearms. But for police use, the glock is inferior to so many others. Especially the sig. But money does talk.

Do NOT get me wrong. I am not saying that the glock isn't a quality weapon. It is. But for police/military environments, to not have a true double action pistol, or a SA/DA, is totally retarded. Even the best quality ammo in the world can get a light primer strike where you need to get the next round off immediately. LIKE NOW!!! Like pull the trigger again. At least with an external single action, like a 1911A1, you can pull the hammer back. With Sig, just pull the trigger. With glock, rechamber the slide and forget that first round. If I HAD to carry a glock for police/military use, I would PURPOSELY carry condition 3 with an empty chamber. And I would practice quick chambering and fire until I was the best at it. "Like the Israelis do with their 1911A1". Self defense, you have time. Police officers are generally on the offensive in a situation where their gun is drawn. Speed is of the essence. I wouldn't want a "CLICK, OH SHIITE" mode and have my brain racing figuring out what to do. I'd rather simply practice chambering all the time so if there's a "Click", my muscle memory simply rechambers. Then again, it would take a LOT for me to own a glock. Like a law or condition of employment.
 
The 92 was my service pistol...and I think it still remains one of the greatest pistol ever designed.

Maybe I do not get it but I really do not understand why in the world anybody would accept a non DA/SA autoloader as defensive sidearm.....how in the world police forces accepted the Glock pistols....accidental firings with Glocks do happen...they are not that uncommon....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfNV9bJoSg
 
Second strike capability has nothing to do with determining if a pistol is double action.
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You are correct; however, that is the MAIN attribute of all double action pistols. Therefor, if it can't do that, then I don't consider it double action. We can play with words all day. But the accepted definition of a double action pistol is that by pulling the trigger, you are either raising the hammer to fall onto the firing pin, or you are pulling the firing pin back and allowing it to fly forward. If you can't hold a gun, without bullets in the magazine, and continually pull the trigger and have an internal hammer go back or a firing pin go back, and either release, then it's not a double action.
 
Christcorp

The fact is that you do not have to spend more than the price of a Glock to get a high quality SA/DA pistol....there is not only SIG around.

Beretta 92/96 are in the same price range.

CZ are even cheaper.

A Cougar is cheaper

Any Taurus is cheaper

Rugers are cheaper

Bersa Thunder 9, 40 and 45 are cheaper.
 
But the accepted definition of a double action pistol is that by pulling the trigger, you are either raising the hammer to fall onto the firing pin, or you are pulling the firing pin back and allowing it to fly forward.
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Right.
If you can't hold a gun, without bullets in the magazine, and continually pull the trigger and have an internal hammer go back or a firing pin go back, and either release, then it's not a double action.
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Wrong.
 
Disclaimer: I respect Glocks for their accuracy and reliability..nothing wrong with that....I did shoot them at the range several times and I will again from time to time.....I just do not accept the limitation of their primitive firing system.
 
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Shawn

For me not having second strike capabilities, no decocking mechanism and not external safety is "functionally primitive"...sorry...regardless of the sophistication of the materials used or the design...just IMHO...:evil::D:neener:
 
Now you're just being preposterous. Pre-set DAO striker fired pistols are the future of handgunning.
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...according to who??? Glock??? and for me not having the second strike capabilities is not functionally a DAO design....you need to rake the slide to fire again...

Almost any other major hangun manufacturers stick with their DA/SA design....at least for their premium models...

For all the practical purposes, a Glock is functionally no different than one of the early cantury 25 ACP or 32 ACP semi auto pistol....single action no external hammer....can you decock it?? No....Double Strike?? No...the only difference is their little trigger safety...
 
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For me not having second strike capabilities...
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If the gun don't go bang when you press the trigger then you immediately, without thought, tap the base of the magazine with the heel of your support hand, roll the gun in the direction of the ejection port and simultaneously rack the slide. You should be able to accomplish all this in about a second.

There are other failures besides a faulty cartridge or light primer strike that can prevent the gun from going bang when you press the trigger.

It didn't go bang? Tap, Roll & Rack!!!
 
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The features are maybe worthless to you....

The SA/DA will be the premium design for decades to come...
 
Glock is a pre-set double action only. Just like a Para LDA/Kel-Tec P-32/P3AT/PF-9/Ruger LCP/ETC.
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Pre-set strikers and hammers apply only to semi-automatic handguns. Upon firing a cartridge or loading the chamber, the hammer or striker will rest in a partially cocked position. The trigger serves the function of completing the cocking cycle and then releasing the striker or hammer. While technically two actions, it differs from a double-action trigger in that the trigger is not capable of fully cocking the striker or hammer.

Examples of pre-set strikers are the Glock, Ruger SR9 and Smith & Wesson M&P pistols.

Examples of pre-set hammers are the Kel-Tec P-32 and Ruger LCP pistols.


a double-action trigger performs two functions when pulling the trigger, first cocking the hammer or striker then releasing it to discharge the firearm

Since the glock trigger is not capable of fully cocking the striker or hammer, its not a true double action trigger
 
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Pre-set strikers and hammers apply only to semi-automatic handguns. Upon firing a cartridge or loading the chamber, the hammer or striker will rest in a partially cocked position. The trigger serves the function of completing the cocking cycle and then releasing the striker or hammer. While technically two actions, it differs from a double-action trigger in that the trigger is not capable of fully cocking the striker or hammer.

Examples of pre-set strikers are the Glock, Ruger SR9 and Smith & Wesson M&P pistols.

Examples of pre-set hammers are the Kel-Tec P-32 and Ruger LCP pistols.


a double-action trigger performs two functions when pulling the trigger, first cocking the hammer or striker then releasing it to discharge the firearm

Since a glock must have the slide work to accomplish this, its not a true double action trigger.
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Amen to that...
 
While technically two actions, it differs from a double-action trigger in that the trigger is not capable of fully cocking the striker or hammer.
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Did you get that from Wikipedia? Call the BATFE and ask what the Glock is classified as.
 
Did you get that from Wikipedia? Call the BATFE and ask what the Glock is classified as.
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I do not care what the BATFE says....if it can only be fully cocked by raking the slide, it is a functional single action pistol....period...end of the story...do not beat around the bush..
 
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