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other aspect of life is ignored?

We must get a drivers license to drive a car, we must take a test to drive a car, cars are regulated to be safer, cleaner, etc. Yet no one cares.

We have regulation in every aspect of our lives however no one seems to care about it. They only care about regulation when it comes to firearms.

It seems to me that you cant not care about one then jump the fence and care about another.
 
Sure you can. "Area of expertise", "Symbolysm", "Incorrect Comparisons" - those are all reasons. Drivers licenses aren't the same because you are driving on roads and registration of them is not the same because no one is looking to ban them all and take them from you.

As well, guns are symbols of freedom to many Americans. It would be like someone going and killing all the bald eagles in the world - sure, they are just a bird, but one that means a lot to us. It would piss us off.

Finally, we all like guns very much and most of us know a lot about them. When you are an expert in a subject you start to realize that politicos who pass laws about said subject are NOT experts - and their laws show it. We often see the laws to be the ineffective pieces of junk they are because they are infringing on something we enjoy and know a lot about.
 
A) Gun control is more important than any other aspect. My very ability to live as a free person depends on my ability to restrain my government if the need arises. Not having a driver's license limits my ability to pick up stuff at WalMart. It's a matter of scale.
B) You assume that most of the people here agree with regulation of other aspects of life. I, for one, don't. I think almost every license, permit, voucher, or pass issued by the government is an unwelcome intrusion (no matter how slight) into my personal freedom. The government works for me, not the other way around. Having to get a permit is tatamount to asking permission to use my own stuff.
 
I, for one, do care very much about freedom in those other aspects of life.
 
We have far too *much* regulation about our daily lives. And believe me many of us care a lot about it. The nation has degenerated into a land of "das ist verbotten." Everything from painting your house to mowing your lawn is the subject of layers of regulation and restriction. Firearm ownership is the last bastion of liberty, and indeed when the right to keep and bear them is gone it's pretty much the end of the battle for freedom. But I find it interesting that many will cite driver licenses in these debates, and call for stricter federal controls over firearms at the same time. Having the ATF register your iron and decide whether or not you should have it is exactly like having the EPA register your car and decide whether or not you should have it. So you see why that's a bad idea. State level registration is less offensive, but again it isn't being done by fish & game but by anti-firearm agencies. Do you want your state's DEQ to tell you that you can't buy an SUV because you really don't need it?

I might not mind a federal level registration program if it were conducted by a pro-RKBA agency. Something like the quasi-official CMP, only larger. But the problem is I don't trust the feds to do it. Their assumption is that registration must be controlled by an ardently anti-gun agency such as the BATF.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to add, I care very much about freedom in every aspect of my life. I just listed why people may think firearms are more important.
 
All the other licenses and registrations are annoying.

However, there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to own or operate a means of transportation.

Arms are so important that they are actually named in the Bill of Rights.

hillbilly
 
It just does not work

Not now not in the past not in any Country in the world. Trying to control peoples use of firearms by placing controls just won't work. All it does is allow thugs who will always get firearms to assult people who are not allowed to have them. Just look at wonderful NewYork City.
 
Because we can only fight one fight at a time ... if they succeed in disarming us then we're screwed and the other injustices will go unaddressed.
 
You ask why we don't care about regulation in other areas?

When I was working in Michigan, a co-worker and her husband were building a house. One day they got a stop-work order. She called to find out why:

Nasty, snotty little bureaucrat: "You don't have a tree removal permit."

Co-worker: "There are no trees on the property."

NSLB: "WE don't know that."

CW: "Come out and see."

NSLB: "We don't come out until you apply for a tree removal permit."

CW: "You came out to post the stop work order. Didn't you look around then?"

NSLB: "You're not helping yourself AT ALL."

I could cite an almost identical case in Virginia.

So when I built in Arkansas, I cleared 6 acres of pasture, put in a pond, built a house and a quarter mile of access road, and put up a barn.

Guess how manypermits I needed?

None!

Freedom is sweet.:D
 
Das Pferd wrote: "We must get a drivers license to drive a car, we must take a test to drive a car, cars are regulated to be safer, cleaner, etc. Yet no one cares."
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The regulations/restrictions you mention above are really revenue generating schemes cooked up by the government to be a somewhat hidden type of tax.

You want to own a car? Great, feel free to do so---on your own property. You will pay no tax to own/operate said vehicle under those conditions. You want to drive said car on public roadways? Then pay the government a tax (license fees) for the privilege of doing so. (Driving a car on public roads is a privledge, not a right.)

NONE of the above philosophy applies to firearms, starting with the fact that owning/bearing firearms is specifically NOT a privlege, or so says the 2nd Amendment.

Do you see the significant difference?
 
Nobody but a few—still very few—leftist extremist eco-whackos is advocating the abolution of driving. A great many leftist extremists are hell-bent on disarming every last law-abiding American citizen.
 
What AZ said
I can own as many cars as I want and drive them as much as I like as long as I stay on my own property.
The fees that I pay for the privilage of driving on the public highways pays for those highways to be built and for their upkeep, such as it is. And in part toward public education on how to use these facilities properly.
It also pays for the police in part that patrol these streets to make them safer, along with the revenue generated by those that are caught not following the rules.

And lastly there is no God given right to drive an automobile, there is no mention of means of transportation at all in the Constitution.
 
The Congo

In the 60s The British who controled the Congo forced the white farmers to turn in their firearms. Then the Mau Mau's attacked the white farmers and hacked them all men women and children to death. Without their firearms they were defenseless. It took Mike Hore and his men to rescue the missionaries who were working there.
 
I believe that a few of you have forgotten the "road tax" on gasoline.

With government in control, you will ALWAYS pay.

Just, sometimes, you simply get nothing in return....

Except for the tax bill for owning the (practically useless) vehicle, and, somehow, I doubt it'll be less than the "legal", full function, edition...
 
The government has permits and licenses to generate revenue. Any item that you need a permit or a license for, when you pay for it you have just voluntarily? paid an additional tax. Most when originally proposed were planned to produce revenue for the licensed function only. Building permits were to pay inspectors to determine your building was sturdy enough to be safe. Hunting licenses were supposed to fund improvements to the sport, habitat improvement, and game wardens wages to enforce bag limits, etc..

BUT, the real truth is that the ability to tax is the ability to deny,,,,, deny use, deny ownership, deny buying and selling.

Is there anyone here that has not stayed home instead of going some place they wanted to go, because of the price of gas? Gasoline tax is about one third of the price you pay at the pump. How much less will you travel when gasoline tax is as much as the price of the gasoline? Gas is roughly 2.00$ right now, of which maybe 60 cents is tax, so the gas is really 1.40 and 60 tax. If the gasoline tax was raised to 1.40, making the total cost 2.80 cents per gallon, would you reduce your driving?

NOW, for this to make sense here. I think it would be great if the federal government taxed ammunition at 1.00$ per thousand rounds, and used the money to build gun ranges for the public to use. BUT, if they ever get a tax on ammunition it will increase to the point where we could not afford to shoot. The money would also, probably get lost in the federal burocracy.

I oppose all taxes and permits on firearms, and how we carry them, and ammunition, and most other taxes and permits for anything and every thing we do.
 
The Vietnam 10% tax on Income tax owed

Who remembers Nixon hitting Americans with the extra 10% on their Federal tax owed to help offset the cost of the Vietnam War? Think it won't again happen to offset the cost of the war in Iraq? We will be lucky if it's only 25% this next time.
 
We must get a drivers license to drive a car, we must take a test to drive a car, cars are regulated to be safer, cleaner, etc. Yet no one cares.
Anyone with more than a single-digit IQ can get a driver's license. Like most people, I got mine when I was 16.

I slept through driver's education, guessed my way through the final test (and passed with flying colors), drove an escort for six hours(?) and got my permit. A while later, I took my DMV road test in a '75 CJ5 that didnt have mufflers, a top, doors, or brakes. Since then, I've been ticketed for reckless driving on two occasions IIRC, speeding (79 in a 55), several times for improper equipment (mainly tires and mufflers), driving without insurance, as well as a few others I cant recall. All of this between the ages of 16 and 19. I wonder where I'd be if I got caught breaking that many gun laws in three years.

If it doesnt get used on public streets, and it will move under its own power, I can do whatever I want to any of my cars. Mufflers and smog equipment can come off, I can run bald tires, install a motor that has three (or more) times the amount of hosepower that the car came with, and I can let my ten year old sister drive it. A LEO could drive by and see it all, and not be able to do a damn thing about it.

If laws regulated firearms the same way they did cars, I'd be able to build an 11.5" M16, hack the barrel down on my shotty, own armor percing bullets and supressors, as long as I used them on private property, and not in public. But in reality I even put a lower between my RRA upper and collapsable stock taking up room in my safe.

I see a difference.
 
This is a gun forum.

I think it's the driving forum where they complain about drivers licenses. :D

I'm pretty sure its the building code violation forum where they complain about the permits. :rolleyes:

I imagine that it's the DU forum where they complain about dogs and cats living together in harmony :p
 
We have regulation in every aspect of our lives however no one seems to care about it. They only care about regulation when it comes to firearms.

Well, this is a firearms board, so it's going to skew like that. Hang around with motorcyclists and start a discussion about helmet laws. Hang around with muscle-car guys and start talking about some of the legislation that sometimes gets talked about that would kill their hobby over emissions concerns. Talk to General Aviation pilots about various regulations coming out of the FAA. Talk to doctors about regulations affecting them (Medicaire for instance). The list goes on: boaters, hunters, fishermen, just about any hobby or profession you can name has its various concerns about regulations particular to that hobby or profession.
 
I agree with the others about it not being in the same catagory and level of seriousness.

I would care if there were limiting our speech and beliefs. I would care if you had to get a license to have children. In the same way, I care about gun control.

These are essential human rights, and a license to drive a car isn't in the same catagory.
 
Everyone has a pet issue. Guns happen to be mine, and I would imagine that a higher percentage of the people who post on a gun forum would feel likewise. It's not that I don't see or dislike the over regulation in practically every other part of my life, it's just that there's really only so many hours in the day...
 
Ah, a favorite topic...

We don't have controls on everything, especially when it comes to an area that is a "right". And, we do have some gun control, and I do not mean the AWB either.

Car analogy - if a city/county funded and operated a range with taxpayers money, imho, it would be okay for that range to require a shooter to take their safety class prior to using it. It would also be okay for that range to inspect your firearms and ammo to verify that they are safe. Not that dissimiliar from driving on public roads. (However, ranges do not do this because it is about 50 times safer to spend an hour shooting on a range than it is to drive on the highway).

However, NO registration is necessary to own a car. You only need it registered to drive on public roads. Same with a drivers license - you can tool around your uncle's farm all you want in most places without a drivers license and be legal.

If you just want to own cars and fix them up, the only government involvement is to pay taxes on buying it (which is lame since that is about the only "used" item we pay a sales tax on when buying it).

Car registration and drivers licenses are reasonable because we share a taxpayer funded, public road. Neither is required to own a car. So using that analogy, neither should be necessary to own a firearm.

With respect to safety features, many of the federally mandated safety features are waived if you build your own car and again, are necessary only if you drive it on a public road. My go-cart never had a seat belt.

See, even cars are not really controlled. ;)

But ultimately, we do NOT have a right to own or drive a car. That is the real difference.

Lets do a 1st amendment comparison. Many artists and filmmakers (Including pornographers) claim protection under the 1A (imho it applies to the press and speech, not art, but that is another debate).

Well, if you are an artist, you do NOT need a license to practice it. If you want to be a movie maker, buy a camera and start shooting. No license required. Your only "controls" are those related to operating a business, which we have in the firearm community, but you have NO controls to buy that paint brush or that video camera.

You don't need a license to print your own magazine, flier, newspaper. Buy a computer, a printer and a big stack of paper and you can print just about anything you want (with some, but few, limitations with respect to scandalizing other people). And, you do not need to register your printer to do it.

Ask the folks that runs this public forum. Did they register with the government to set it up? Did they have to get a license? Did they have to show need? No, because this freedom of speech in action, and that is a right.

My newly favorite 1A vs 2A comparison. Recently the courts struck down a law that would require all porn sites to get credit card verification for age before someone enters the site. The ACLU was very eager to fund anything that would overturn this incredible "infringement" on the 1A.

So, where are the controls here? Shouldn't porn have a least a little control? If the courts and the leftists in this country gave the 2A half of what they give to the 1A, I would have a quad 50 cal in my backyard!

Freedom of speech comparison - we have this freedom, but we don't have the right to scream "fire" in a crowded theater. Firearm analogy, we have the RKBA, but we sure as heck do not have the right to shoot them at the movie screen when we think the movie stinks! So we DO have some firearm controls.

Consider the not too old Canadian laws which require all guns to be registered. Last I heard, they have NOT solved a single crime with that registration, yet it has cost them tens of millions of dollars. So what would be the purpose of controls on firearms?

Would we control them for safety? Firearms are fairly low on the list of things involved in accidents that result in death or visits to the emergency room. Did you know golf per hour of activity results in more accidental deaths than recreational shooting?

Did you know that at one time, statistics indicated that a 10 year old child is 20 times more likely to drown in the swimming pool in his backyard than to be accidently shot by un unlocked, loaded firearm in his house? (Note, I do not advocate this practice if children live in a household).

IF there was a reason to control them, then at least there would exist an arguable case for it. But if individual firearm ownership is a right, than shouldn't it be treated like our other rights, which are almost 100% hands-off by thegovernment. Remember the words, "Congress shall make no law..."

Finally, I am against any government regulation in our lives unless we can be sure it improves things. It is always expensive, and often causes more problems than it solves. In our society, one of the few things that seem acceptable to infringe upon is the 2A, which is why you have so many folks (like the ones here) who make it an important issue in their lives.
 
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