Why get a used S&W 686 over a new one?

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are there any current production 357 revolvers that would be considered as "classic" as the pre-lock 686?

Until Freedom Arms starts making DA revolvers, there's Korth and the Manurhin MR-73. Scant few here, myself included, know firsthand whether they live up to their reputation...or price. :rolleyes:

A Ruger GP100 can also be considered as "classic" as it ever was, and it'd work well as a HD/range/IDPA gun. They may not have the fit and finish of classic Smiths, but they have a strong following because they are rugged and respond well to some basic action work. And speedloaders that work for L-frame S&Ws will also work with GP100s.

About Rugers in general, Cunningham, a well-respected revolver 'smith, recommends them. And he's "an admitted revolver snob who's known for working on Colt Pythons".

http://grantcunningham.com/blog_files/448400adaed4f0a82d4961b5b2d91d8b-116.html

http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_files/fa40a3c723f6546360911369048cf49a-383.html
 
Why get a used 686?
Well, I found this used 686-1 last year for $300....added an EBAY-bianchi holster for $15.
Love it...very smooth action, excellent shooter.
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I would second Mr Borland's recommendation. The Ruger GP-100 does quite well. I have both it and a MIM 686 (pre-lock) in addition to a K frame Smith (pre-MIM). Consider also the GP-100 predecessor, the Ruger Security Six. Had those in the past and wished I still had mine. A decently tuned GP is a very nice revolver. Reading Grant Cunningham's blog will give you some additional revolver insights. Recently, he discussed the S&W lock and also usually carrying either a SP or GP Ruger. He works on Colts, S&W's and Rugers and has models in each but carries the Ruger.
 
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are there any current production 357 revolvers that would be considered as "classic" as the pre-lock 686?

I dunno, the question seems to be a bit of an oxymoron.

I think S&W is making the N Frame Model 27 as part of their "Classic" line. Though I'm not sure I consider a gun with the lock a classic, especially when considering you can buy a used Model 27 4 or 5 screw for a little less money than a new one. And those guns had deep, lusterous bluing, pinned barrels, recessed cylinder chambers and superbly smooth actions.
 
there is no proof of them actually making the guns less reliable
This statement is inane and patently incorrect, and anyone who would make such a post sacrifices all credibility. Any time spent searching will verify this.

The older S&Ws are in demand by a number of buyers, and demand a higher price for several reasons. Quality of construction is one reason. Lack of MIM and ILS parts is another.

Plenty of people are happy with the MIM/ILS revolvers. You will probably be fine if you buy one.

I am not one of them, because I know someone who experienced a hard failure of an ILS gun. I will never own or trust one again (except one that has had the offending parts removed and bagged).

That is my choice, and the choice of a number of others.

Only you can decide which side you will come down on.
 
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Every now and then Old Fuff tells me (in essence)

"shut up Guillermo...if they keep buying the new guns there will be more old guns for us and the prices will be better"

New Smith revolvers are of better quality than ever before. MIM parts are great. Multi piece barrels are better than solid barrels. Pinned barrels and recessed chambers are ugly and hard to clean around. The lock is a great idea and is brilliantly designed. It has never failed. Immediately sell all of your old Smith revolvers. They are dangerous. Sell them cheap.

how did I do Old Fuff? Was I convincing?




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Good, Guillermo, very good... you are learning grasshopper... :evil:

But I think it may be too late. Somebody let the cat out of the bag. :uhoh:
 
I prefer the older S&W revolvers with the hammer mounted firing pin. A direct strike mechanism is more reliable on ignition than one where the momentum is lost (that darn ole Entropy) through energy transfer through another mechanical device.

I got this M586 because the price was good and the bud selling it claimed it was superbly accurate. Since he set a National Record in PPC with the thing, it seemed to be a good gamble. The fact he had performed trigger work on the revolver did not hurt. He claimed at least 40,000 rounds of 148 LWC 2.7 grs bullseye Federal primers through it, and that wore out the mainspring. I had misfires in cold weather due to the old mainspring and hard primers, but once that was replaced I can verify that it is a reliable and very accurate revolver.

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While I do not like the trigger lock, I am not foaming at the mouth. Yes, it can be a source of unreliability, others have had problems, not me. The lock can be deactivated. I prefer it was not there, but I am not the one bankrolling the legal defence against gun banners trying to bankrupt S&W through lawsuits.

This late model M625 in 45LC has all the MIM parts and the trigger lock. While the trigger pull is slightly heavy, I believe to compensate for the energy lost through the mechanism, single stage left off is crisp, the pistol is very accurate and it goes bang. So it meets expectations.
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Having owned enough old guns, I can say that "old" does not necessarily mean better. They shoveled out garbage back then, and you can buy newly made garbage today. Today's manufacturing technology means that machining is far better, the steels better, etc. However features were lost that I like, so there are some old guns I like. I just won't pay a huge premium for an old gun, just because it is old.
 
The older guns are better. Better craftsmanship, better tolerances, better looks and, if you shop, better price.

The first generation was meant to go toe to toe with the Python, and S&W watched their tolerances. The chromed hammers and triggers also make the guns much more pleasing to the eye. The rear sights on the new models look cheesy and the front sights are pinned in rather than being integral. All this, of course, has cut corners on cost -- and all these savings have been passed on to you, the consumer, and has made the guns much more affordable. (And if you believe that, I have an RG target gun I can sell you at a sweet price!) Actually, they cut corners and pass the savings on to themselves. That's one reason I'll never buy a new S&W again. Their 659 and 5906 9mm pistols were astounding, but S&W can no longer afford to make such guns as the prices would be prohibitive. Craftsmanship costs $$$ and S&W has learned that they can cut corners, charge whatever they want and people will still buy them.

The time is not far distant when you won't be able to get a decent handgun for under a grand. It's frightning.

Another gun you might check out is a premium Ruger stainless Security-Six. If you can find one, they're gems!
 
If your going to buy a 686 buy a pre-lock. They are a better all round revolver. If your going to buy a new medium frame DA revolver buy a Ruger GP100. The GP100 does not have a interlock and is over $200 less expense than a 686. I can live with one less round. Plus in IDPA SSR a person is limited to six rounds. Massad Ayoob won a IDPA SSR match shooting a bone stock Ruger GP100. I think if you compare the new S&W 686 to a Ruger GP100 a person will find a hard time justifing spenting over $200 more for a 686. For me I would rather buy a older pre-lock 686 and pay around $600 versus a new 686 for $800. Ruger GP100 is around $575 to $600.
Good luck with your decision,
roaddog
 
I have old and new. I prefer the old. For the price of new l can buy 2 old. l can also buy new/old for less than new. Lots of older nib ones around w/pinned barrels.
 
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