Why I HATE the NRA

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I dropped $750 in cash on the table at the entrance to the Albany gunshow about four months after my 21st birthday.

Money well spent.

I also voted for a friend in the Board of Directors election when the pamphlet came through.

I'm truly surprised by the amount of vehement idiocy in this thread, and the alternative recommendations just make my head hurt.

The NRA isn't about no-limits MGs-for-everybody-now like GOA, because they're not a petulant and absolutist political device. Politics is the art of compromise, victories of inches and slow and patient battles with equally patient and canny enemies.

The NRA charter is to teach and promote firearms skills like marksmanship and safety, political action is technically secondary, and meant to be in furtherance of those goals. I'm impressed it does all the other stuff so well.
 
Heck, as far as I'm concerned, all the negative things written on this thread about the NRA can be true, AND LaPierre can be a closet Klansman, and I'll still send them money. The NRA is the ONLY nationally effective pro-gun organization. And that's all that ought need be said.
 
My bone to pick with the NRA has little to do with mailings. I was irritated with them, but I can live with it.

My major issue is them supporting a major step backwards here at home.

Don't play games, attack the real issue. Registration of my handguns.
 
But for what Robert Hairless did, is it fair to throw in a younger person's face the fact that they, being young, have not done as much as somebody who is significantly older?

Would anybody except that I've won a mountain of legal cases, changed the tide of a few important battles in at least one or two wars, sired a half-dozen children, made a few million dollars, written a best-selling book, etc, all before the age of 22?


It's not fair or logical to scold younger people for not having done things that they have not yet had the opportunity to do. I appreciate the time you took to make that post and clarify a few things, I am happy for you that you've done quite a bit of worthwhile stuff with your life thus far, and equally happy that you seem modest in it, and are not using it as a shield to hide behind and strike at others.

EotechRulesAll, I don't think anyone is criticizing you for being a very young person who hasn't had time to do all the things older people have done. You misunderstand. You asked a direct question and I answered it. Really, though, your extreme youth and inexperience aren't good qualifications for telling other people how to live the right and proper life. To put it another way, it's not anyone else's fault that you're too young to know how to behave in public.

Why did you ask what I do if you don't like the answer? I haven't told you all that I do and have done. It's none of your business and you don't have either the mental or emotional age to understand much of it. Your juvenile behavior, characterized by grandiosity and unfocused hostility towards whatever you don't understand, doesn't suggest that you're 21 years old. What older people learn is to not ask questions unless they're sure they'll like the answers.

I'm glad that you got a job at last. You might want to revise your profile: you say there that you're unemployed.

Occupation:
Unemployed as of the present time

Maybe someday, given enough time and persistence, you'll accomplish something in life and contribute to society. Many people who were 21 once grew up. There's much more to raising a family than siring children, but you evidently don't know that yet. Earning a living is not the same as making a few million dollars, but that's something else for you to learn. Winning legal battles is in fact something that at least some of us have done, but of course it would be unusual for a 21-year-old to be one of them. Accomplishments and achievements aren't bad things, and they don't become bad just because you haven't any.

I doubt that you'll ever change the tide of even one battle, because individuals rarely are able to do that even if they spend lots of time talking to people on the phone or e-mailing them, even if those chats include their state's Attorney-General. Battles require individuals to subordinate their egos so they can participate cooperatively with large numbers of other people who never lose sight of the goal. You don't know how to do it and you don't even know what it means.

That's what this thread is about. It's a demonstration of what that means. But you can't see that yet. Other people do see it. So maybe you'll grow into it eventually.

And then you'll be one of the older people who are insulted by kids who never accomplished anything in their lives but believe they know all about life. Isn't that something worth anticipating? What fun. :)
 
Q: You know what's more ridiculous than the OP getting upset with the NRA (who fights to protect our 2nd amendment rights)?

A: People who have never served a day in the military bashing a veteran (who has fought to protect ALL of our rights).

Let the man speak his 2 cents. He earned it. We all get upset over something, and he is a NRA member. Wayne LaPierre considers members as "members" even if their membership is a little overdue (on nra.org homepage)
 
To put it another way, it's not anyone else's fault that you're too young to know how to behave in public.


How in the world would you have any clue as to how I behave in public?


The ability to know-all, does that come with age and experience?
 
I'm glad that you got a job at last. You might want to revise your profile: you say there that you're unemployed.


I *HAD* a job, I am presently unemployed. I worked for three years and was told I was one of the best employees, but once I finished my degree, the job was basically over. That's how it went.
 
There are a couple people here that need to can it or take it to PMs.

Oh, I'd like to take it to an amateur boxing ring with one of the people here (not you). I don't take kindly to being insulted in a cynical and sarcastic fashion by somebody who has absolutely no idea who I am or what I am about, claiming that I have never accomplished anything with my life.
 
From EOTECH
"Having been annoyed by the NRA I decided to join GOA as a supplement and ultimately replacement to the NRA. Once my 5 year membership expires, I most likely will not be renewing anything with the NRA.

Do the NRA boosters have anything nasty to say about those of us who decide to back GOA?"


I am a member of both NRA(LIFE) and GOA(Annual)....I get MORE "junk mail" form GOA.....mainly renewal requests..... What's the difference? NONE!!!
 
Why did you ask what I do if you don't like the answer? I haven't told you all that I do and have done. It's none of your business and you don't have either the mental or emotional age to understand much of it. Your juvenile behavior, characterized by grandiosity and unfocused hostility towards whatever you don't understand, doesn't suggest that you're 21 years old. What older people learn is to not ask questions unless they're sure they'll like the answers.


I don't mind asking questions even when I may get answers I don't like. I don't have to like every answer to be happy. I just expect some bare minimum of respect, particularly when I've never done anything nasty to the person in question.

You have a lot to learn about giving respect. You act towards me as though I've attacked your closest friends and family, spit in your face, stole your newspaper, and urinated in your flower garden.



I would figure a mature person can ask a question even if he is uncertain if he'll like the answer. I don't need the world to be sugar-coated... If the emperor is not wearing any clothing, then the emperor is not wearing any clothing.
 
Robert Hairless-


I was able to get an article published as the front-page featured article in a nationally circulated newspaper. Although I have no intention of letting anybody online (let alone you) know my name, so I won't be sending out copies.

If you want to doubt me, go ahead and doubt me. You think just because I don't toss down bags of money before the altar of the almighty NRA, that I don't do anything for the causes I believe in? Ever consider the power of the pen?
 
There is no more argument.

I don't feel the need to justify myself or my accomplishments to anybody. I know what I have done and what I am capable of reasonably expecting myself to do in the near future.

I know what I am capable of and what I can expect to achieve in regards to the causes I believe in.

I'm not here to play games with "adults" who are so wonderful and productive that they have hours to spend online debating with an unemployed 21 year old.
 
There is no reason to justify yourself to anyone.

I am not trying to be rude. But if you don't care why are you doing so in a public fashion?

Just stop before the ban hammer drops.
 
It seems that a number of people are so vehement in their views on a few key subjects/groups, that they turn every discussion about such things into a personal debate.

My not liking the recent actions of the NRA in no way should open me up to being called an inexperienced youth, nor should there be implications made that because I won't bow at the altar of the giant colossal NRA, that I am somehow worthless, have done nothing with my life, and I am a lazy person because I am presently unemployed.
 
Tell you what. We can be lazy together (laid off) and buy our time.

All these geezers forget, in a few years we pick the nursing homes and level of care. :D
 
Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.
After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.
In civilian training, the NRA continues to be the leader in firearms education. Over 50,000 Certified Instructors now train about 750,000 gun owners a year. Courses are available in basic rifle, pistol, shotgun, muzzleloading firearms, personal protection, and even ammunition reloading. Additionally, nearly 1,000 Certified Coaches are specially trained to work with young competitive shooters. Since the establishment of the lifesaving Eddie Eagle® Gun Safety Program in 1988, more than 12 million pre-kindergarten to sixth grade children have learned that if they see a firearm in an unsupervised situation, they should "STOP. DON'T TOUCH. LEAVE THE AREA. TELL AN ADULT." Over the past seven years, Refuse To Be A Victim® seminars have helped more than 15,000 men and women develop their own personal safety plan using common sense strategies.

In 1990, NRA made a dramatic move to ensure that the financial support for firearms-related activities would be available now and for future generations. Establishing the NRA Foundation, a 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt organization, provided a means to raise millions of dollars to fund gun safety and educational projects of benefit to the general public. Contributions to the Foundation are tax-deductible and benefit a variety of American constituencies, including youths, women, hunters, competitive shooters, gun collectors, law enforcement agents and persons with physical disabilities.
While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. As former Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos said, "Let me make one small vote for the NRA. They're good citizens. They call their Congressmen. They write. They vote. They contribute. And they get what they want over time."

As stated above this is the NRA. http://www.nra.org/aboutus.aspx

the NRA-ILA is here; http://www.nraila.org/;
Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is committed to preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.


They are connected at the hip but serve 2 very different functions. It is up to you if you want to support them, it reflects a personal choice. In the long run it is not that expensive and as a member you can address the heavy handed tactics they use. :)
 
Civility

I see we're treading right at the edge of civility.

Watch your footing.

One of the things I do when I'm trying to get an accurate impression of "who someone is" (character and stuff) is to review their postings. When a person has a few thousand posts, this can take some time, but it yields a more accurate answer than demanding that a person describe himself or render his motives to me so that I may determine whether he's "worthy" by my standards.

Research of this kind can be enlightening, and I recommend it highly. Clearly, it's not as interactive as the ping pong of sharp barbs and allegations, and therefore probably a lot more boring, but it has a better light-to-heat ratio.

Speaking of which, it looks like we're fast approaching the point where this thread generates more heat than light. If I were in a playful mood, I might stay up another hour or so and try to catch it just as it goes too sour for redemption.

Sadly, I'm tired, it's been a long day, I couldn't get the bus protocol analyzer to work as it should, and I just paid $80 filling my tank.

I'm a little grumpy.

Clearly not in that playful mood.

So I guess we're not going to wait for the official pH reading after all.

Oh, BTW, did you guys hear?

We won the Heller case.
 
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