fatcat4620
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Just checked the garage. Not sure what shortage your talking about?
If paying $6,000 for the generator is not in their best interest, why are they buying it?
If it is in their best interest, why is that option ceasing to exist preferable?
It doesn't make sense to say that denying them the OPTION is better.
Sure we get that. But Price gouging is still price gouging.
Does that mean I can sell one of my bare-bones AR's for $5k? What's the limit really?
Reloading is a different ballgame. There are many factors and costs to consider. Equipment, tools, supplies, space, money, etc.
I have looked into reloading and it will cost me close to $1k and up just to reload 223 or 9mm for the setup I want (progressive press). In these hard times, its not that easy for everyone unless you are really into shooting-- A LOT. Many people have said that you reload not to save money but to shoot more.
Whoa whoa whoa there. Price gouging is causing a shortage? Less buyers at higher prices....supply and demand. Seriously, it's time to google supply and demand and learn before talking about it.Sure we get that. But Price gouging is still price gouging.
Does that mean I can sell one of my bare-bones AR's for $5k? What's the limit really?
Reloading is a different ballgame. There are many factors and costs to consider. Equipment, tools, supplies, space, money, etc.
I have looked into reloading and it will cost me close to $1k and up just to reload 223 or 9mm for the setup I want (progressive press). In these hard times, its not that easy for everyone unless you are really into shooting-- A LOT. Many people have said that you reload not to save money but to shoot more.
You're kidding, right?
When a child MUST have respirator treatment, which requires electrical power, what choice do you think a parent has?
When the only food readily available to a family for the next several weeks is what lies in their freezer and the ONLY option they have is to buy a generator at FIVE TIMES fair retail from someone with a trailer load, what choice do you think they have?
Price gouging isn't about "fair market enterprise". It isn't even close. It's about taking everything one can get from people because they don't have any choice. All for the sole benefit of the seller.
A market is about trade. A trade is a mutually advantageous deal between a merchant and a buyer, value for value, of either merchandise or services. The modern medium for trade is money, earned in exchange for services rendered elsewhere. Gouging is an extremely unbalanced and unfair advantage in the favor of the seller.
Akin to price gouging is the monopoly. But I digress.
Whoa whoa whoa there. Price gouging is causing a shortage? Less buyers at higher prices....supply and demand. Seriously, it's time to google supply and demand and learn before talking about it.
Sure we get that. But Price gouging is still price gouging.
Does that mean I can sell one of my bare-bones AR's for $5k? What's the limit really?
I'm talking about some people who buy up ammunition at one price and turn around and sell it at unreasonably higher prices later to people because they no longer have any choice if they feel they cannot ride out the shortage.
Price gouging isn't about "fair market enterprise". It isn't even close. It's about taking everything one can get from people because they don't have any choice. All for the sole benefit of the seller.
Sure we get that. But Price gouging is still price gouging.
Does that mean I can sell one of my bare-bones AR's for $5k? What's the limit really?
Any child's health impacted by an electrical outage deserves a call to your local fire-dept. They will come out, get your utility company, and/or put a generator on, or move the child to a care facility. So let's be realistic.. this isn't a life or death situation here.
You don't "NEED" an AR15, or a thousand rounds of penetrator ammo, or a high-cap magazine. I watch the news, we're not having a civil war, and the dead are not walking the earth looking for fresh meat. You want this stuff, in fear of a ban, along with many others, and like many others you imagine that in a ban environment the value of these items will be even higher.
But where was your support for these items in the many years preceding the ban? Why don't you already have these items?
What you're really complaining about is that people didn't think anything would ever change, didn't buy and use any of these items, and now that some kind of action MIGHT happen from the feds, they want to run out with 200,000,000 others who suddenly "need" an AR15 with a hi-cap mag and a boatload of ammo. Worst of all the majority of these people want to do it now, so they won't have to pay the price hike that would go with a ban - a purely financial motive.
And you're going to complain that the prices are going to be steep? You want the owners of these items, shooters who have supported the platforms for years, to hand over their items at prices that (if you are correct) they would never replace them for?
Who exactly are the greedy ones? IMHO it's everyone whining about the prices.
I wish i had 15 Walmart's close by
You're kidding, right?
When a child MUST have respirator treatment, which requires electrical power, what choice do you think a parent has?
Price gouging isn't about "fair market enterprise". It isn't even close. It's about taking everything one can get from people because they don't have any choice. All for the sole benefit of the seller.
In the scenario I was speaking of, the fire department was not always an option. Roads were completely blocked for days, weeks in some places. And, before this detours too much further, yes I know there were other options. I was there, I was part of those "other options".
But that does not excuse those who chose to prey on the misfortune of others.
As for the "need" for an AR15 and thousands of rounds of ammo...I never once said that. Please do me the courtesy of not putting such words in my mouth.
As for my "support for these items in the many years preceding the ban" and why I didn't stock up...again, please do me the courtesty of not putting words into my mouth nor making unwarranted assumptions about my own personal support or preparations. I was not talking about banned items. I was talking about price gouging on market items currently available.
And also please do me the courtesty of not putting words into my mouth about what I'm "really complaining about", either. I'm quite able to put what I'm "really complaining about" in my own words, thank you.
Please go back over my postings. Never once was I talking about people who suddenly developed a "need" for anything like an AR15, hi-cap magazines, and a boatload of ammunition simply based on current events.
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And please don't imagine I am only addressing you and not the topic. The first paragraph alone, regarding firemen was towards your comment (not even towards you).
You assumed way too much, and then worse you got offended. It's a forum, pal, and we're addressing the topic, along the way perhaps addressing comments from others here and there.
Trust me - when I'm addressing only YOU, you'll know it - it will be in a PM.
According to you they shouldn't have any choice at all.
So they MUST have respirator treatment, and getting the electricity that is required for that treatment gives them zero benefit?
lol
I made my point about price gouging and what context defines it. But I'll be happy to go another round:
Price gouging is a predatory behavior, not related to sustainable economics as the "law of supply and demand" does. Nominal increases in prices due to changes in supply and demand are, indeed, legitimate and serve their purpose in the overall scheme of economics. Price gouging, as predatory behavior, does not serve that purpose.
My point has been made several times. Your recent postings do nothing but ridicule that and don't bring anything further to this.
You either misrepresent my posts, ridicule the circumstances, or are simply looking for an argument.
Any way you look at it, however, the subject of "price gouging", meant to be a minor tangent on the previous ongoing discussion, has drifted far off of the topic as originally posted, which is "Why is there an ammo shortage?"
Have a good day.