Why live there?

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I read a great deal of posts regarding certain states' unconstitutionally restrictive firearms laws and the threats these pose to firearms owners. I assume that the RKBA and personal integrity are dear to any who participate in this board. So, my question is: Why would anyone who cares about their personal liberties and freedoms continue living in states with these absurd laws (ie. CA, NY, MD, etc.)? Despite the positive qualities of some of these states (scenic beauty, job market, etc.), I would never live in a state that denied me such fundamental freedoms, especially when other states respected my liberties. And I know, I know, you could only find a job there, your family lives there, it's where you grew up, you're in school there. But, these reasons just don't hold up to the restrictiveness of the laws.
 
I live in CA, because that is where I currently work. I am always looking for a job in my field that pays as well as the job I have now, and the areas cost of living is similar to where I live now. As soon as the right job comes up, I am getting the hell out of here. Fortuantely, I can legally own an AR-15, and I have a legal CA CCW, so the laws aren't that bad for me. But I am sickened by the way our socialist state treats others.
 
Why would anyone who cares about their personal liberties and freedoms continue living in states with these absurd laws (ie. CA, NY, MD, etc.)? You forgot IL. Despite the positive qualities of some of these states (scenic beauty, job market, etc.), I would never live in a state that denied me such fundamental freedoms, especially when other states respected my liberties. And I know, I know, you could only find a job there, your family lives there, it's where you grew up, you're in school there. But, these reasons just don't hold up to the restrictiveness of the laws.

I stay in IL because: I....don't....have....the....money....to....leave!
Does that answer your question? When the money becomes available me and mine will leave this place so fast we'll be in West Texas before IL knows were gone.
 
I grew up in Florida and currently live in Texas. These are both so called "gun friendly" states, but they too support unconstitutional firearms restrictions. Its just a matter of degree and I admire guys like Jim March who are really fighting for their rights in their homes which are supposed to be protected by the US Constitution.
 
Cowboy, you ask a very good question.

My answer can be summed up in one word--family. The relationship of family is more important than the partial restrictions on my freedoms. If those restrictions were greater, then the balance would shift and I'd escape, hopefully with as much of my family as possible. For now, the balance is tilted toward staying.
 
Another reason, some of us don't know how good/bad we have it.
Here in WI, no CCW (YET). We can have most any pistol/asault weapons any one else in this country can.

Good points to ponder, would love to be in the Rockies somewhere.

Tony
 
In a word, family. Also, I'm not about to give up and let those jerks win. I vote and I volunteer to try to make a difference around here.

Scott
 
I spent ten years in the People's Republic of California because I liked the weather and loved the beaches, plus I made good money doing work I was good at and enjoyed most of the time.

The loss of my civil rights, wanton crime, socialist insanity and corruption, and flood of illegal aliens compelled me to return to the United States a year and several months ago. My only regret is that I didn't come home years before I did.
 
I stay in IL because: I....don't....have....the....money....to....leave!

Sometime staying in a Socialist Hellhole isn't that cheap either. IL had high property taxes, IIRC.
 
We must each decide

Family, job, house, income level... they all factor in.

Especially because my wife doesn't want to leave.

But mostly, it is the reasonable (I think) assumption that if we let California get away with it, then other states will follow.

Two states out of 50 that do not require a license to carry is not a good number. Sure some states are better than here. But unless you live in Alaska, don't brag too much about your state.

Tomorrow it could be you.

Help us win the war here in California, it may just save your life.
 
There must be a hundred reasons why I should stay in California.






But right now...I can't think of one :D

(need a fulltime job out of state grumble grumble)
 
Don't discount the weather. Most people have no idea just how moderate southern CA's weather really is, along with sun, sun, and more sunshine. I can drive to snow in winter, just don't have to live in it. No salt on the roads means classis cars can be driven year-round. I never ever have to add gas stabilizer to my bikes to store them in the winter. SF gets colder and more rain than LA/SD but I'd still call the climate very moderate. I've lived without sunshine (Syracuse NY for three years) and I will never again go where the sun doesn't shine (much).

More reasons? Okay, the central states, and even interiors of some costal states, have really lame sushi. Or try getting good Mexican food in upstate NY, hah (but all the Italian you can eat).

The high-tech job is definitely part of it. I figure when I retire I can sell my over-priced house and live like a king elsewhere (preferably someplace without a state income tax like NV). There's high-tech jobs in most states but not the concentration we have in CA. You might say "what about NYC, Boston, or Portland?" but they're still down about an order-of-magnitude.

I can't legally carry but I can be well-armed at home. Yeah, I'd really really like to have an AR without a welded-box receiver but let's be honest, the 12 ga shotgun (and assorted handguns) is seriously enough for what ails you at home.

I ask the same question to my mom who lives in NYC. Why? I grew up there and escaped. For her it is family, familiarity, and the center of the universe as far as she is concerned.

I guess CA is pretty close to the center of my universe and I wouldn't give it all up "just" for a carry permit and better crime statistics.
 
The main reason I stay in Kali is Family. Plus this really isn't a bad state, I grew up here and can't see myself living anywhere else in the world. Plus I also already have a legal FAL, AR, AK and a CCW so gun laws/restrictions aren't that bad for me. Still doesn't mean I wouldn't want the abliltiy to buy Class 3 stuff or maybe a Barrett semi.

But I think that this state is very slowly starting to turn away from the anti agenda. I personally try to convert as many people as I possibly can and I vote. I've noticed that a decade ago: Kali, and NY were pretty much the most anti-states in the union. How many other states have been giving Kali and NY a run for their money now. So to me it doesn't matter if I stay in Kali or move to a more gun friendly state as they all are slowly turning anti-gun. Better to stay and fight then run in my book.
 
"But, these reasons just don't hold up to the restrictiveness of the laws."

Maybe for you and your particular situation, but not everyone is going to make the same decision you seem to have made.

I came to Massachusetts 12 years ago for a job and I am ten months from retirement. I am not going to move and jeopordize that. In addition I have an elderly mother and a mother-in-law who we cannot leave behind.

The other reason is that by staying and working on 2A issues, I am trying to change the situation here. After I retire I plan to work with an FFL in his shop and possibly add an indoor range. By doing this and teaching a whole new generation of shooters I, along with many others, may be able to make some changes here. It's a long shot (pun intended), but if you run from the fight, you will never win.
 
Since when is the solution to a problem to run away? I like living in California. I could understand it if you leave because you have no attachment to a particular place and you don't like the laws, but I'm not going to leave because someone thinks I can't be trusted with CCW, AR, AK, Thompson, FAL, etc. I'd rather stay and try to change people's minds.
 
Family
Job (both my wife and mine...neither of our jobs are "portable", e.g., we're specialized corporate wonks rather than a cop, teacher, fireman, etc.)
House
Neighborhood / community
Schools

Plus I wouldn't have anything to fume an spit about if I lived in paradise.
 
For me I stay in MD because of my job, where I came from in PA if you didn't wanna work at McDonalds or a coal mine you had to move. It's just hard sometimes to get back to get out of an area once your settled. That and it's hard to find a job, house, etc in a decent area with decent laws.
 
I,like others, stay because:
1.I was born here
2.My family is here
3. I have my own small business
My folks are in their early 70's,pretty healthy,but definately
slowing down.I would feel like a real turd moving away from
them now when they need someone around.
I'll be completely honest here.The RKBA issue is not the
be all,end all of my existance.Don't get me wrong,I do my
share of letter writing,voting,talking up the shooting sports.
I'm just not at the point where this one issue is enough to
make me pack up and leave.......yet!I'll stick around and
see if we can make some inroads in this large outdoor lunatic
asylum called California!

QuickDraw
 
Pete's Top Ten Reasons to Stay in a Constitutionaly Unfriendly State

With apologies and acknowledgement to those who have made some of these points already (and David Letterman):

10--Apathy: The American Disease: Easier to complain than do something about it.

9--Comfort: We get set in a place. Perhaps we've been there all our lives. We know all the good restaurants, bars, hunting spots, which preacher we like, where to play golf and where to go flirt with the opposite sex. The thought of trying to re-establish all that and more in a new location strikes fear into many.

8--Aversion To Risk: Face it, most of us have families and it's a big risk to uproot them. What if the kids don’t like their new schools (and they won't--at least at first)? What if our spouses can't make any new friends like they had at home (and they won't, because it takes time to grow friends like that)? What if the housing sucks? What if the water is bad (Trust me, I moved from Seattle to Phoenix and water quality is a BIG issue)? What if.... a million things?

7--Rationalization: "No matter where I go there will be something that I don't like, don't think is fair, and makes me unhappy. Better to stay where I am and live with the issues I already know".

6--Loss of Friends: Any one that has moved away from home knows the loneliness of missing your friends. Those people are not easy to replace. The acquaintances you make in your new home won't fulfill the same role as the friends you knew for XX years for a long time. And while your old friends will still be your friends, talking on the phone and visiting in every year or two won't provide the same companionship.

5---Income: I often see posts along the lines of "If I could only earn the same income in (2A Heaven) as I earn in SoCal..." Frankly, I think this fits into No. 7--Rationalization. Most of those "2A Heaven" states have a more than proportionally lower costs of living to the lower incomes--so it's might even be a net gain. Furthermore, I have never met any one that couldn't get a job if they really wanted one, regardless of the economy. I have never been unemployed, except by choice, since the age of 14.

4--Geography: It matters. I live in Arizona--one of the most "pro" 2A states in the country. I can't stand the weather, I hate being land-locked, and I miss the rain of Seattle. I'd move to a less 2A friendly state in a heartbeat if it were cooler, greener and wetter.

3--Belief and willingness to participate in "The System": One of our THR members’ lives in California and posts often about his activism to change the status quo. Many of us still believe in a government of the people, by the people (forgive me if I have bunged the quote). We can run or we can fight. If it were a mugging, I bet most of us would fight. We should stay home and fight too--in our state local governments. This is truly a noble cause.

2--Family: What if the Governor of Illinois approached you and said "I'll change every gun/2A law in this state to exactly what YOU believe it should be and force every city and county government in the state to comply. All you have to do is let me execute one of your family members, with no repercussions whatsoever for said execution". What would you say? Of course you would refuse! So how can we ask people to move away from their families just to live in 2A friendlier states?

1--Being a Multi-Dimensional Human Being: We are not just gun owners and 2A advocates. "We" are surfers, bikers, mothers, students, artists, lawyers, doctors and bums. Some of us are Democrats, maybe even Socialists. Some of us are hunters while others have never shot anything but paper. Some only own guns they shoot, others buy guns they will never fire. I have never seen a thread on THR without at least one dissenting opinion. If we were truly the people the "enemy" makes us out to be, we would form a formidable coalition--dwarfing the NRA--and take over states. Not one state--several. And we would wield a mighty influence. But we are more than just the "Right Wing Second Amendment Fanatics†our adversaries’ claim--and thank The Almighty Lord. So we stay put in our homes and try to fight for the other passions in our lives--participating in the process our Founding Fathers intended, rather than abandoning whole communities to those that would ignore our rights.

I live in AZ, a very gun friendly state. I plan to move in mid-2004 and while gun rights are a consideration, they are not a deciding factor. I may move back to Washington, possibly Louisiana or Michigan. Possibly overseas, where I would have NO gun rights at all. I believe the experience of a new and different culture is worth the short-term trade off.

In closing, I understand many of the "Top Ten" overlap. However, I felt the items had merit both independently and jointly. My apologies if it is too redundant or pedantic.

Thank you for your time and attention,



Peter
 
For all the reasons stated... this is my home.

Snake Eyes put it most exactly. Well done.

and this:

'Everyone who has ever immigrated to the US solved some problem by running away'

may have had meaning at one time, but there is no new frontier. We're out of room for the option of pioneering to a new land. We've used it all up. Time to take a stand and fix at least try and fix what's broke where you are.

Trust me when I say this: Do you REALLY want all the disgruntled Californians with their albeit reduced bank accounts moving into YOUR state?

Ask any one on the board from Seattle or Oregon and I think you'll have your answer.
 
I don't think moving out of the state is running from the problem. I see it as a form of protest and probably a very effective one. A LOT of people are doing it. In these times of state's financial crisis that's gotta hurt em where it counts. I say give it to em while the giving is good. Leave them dangling for trampling citizen's rights. :fire:
 
Competition among states is the basis of the republic. Even though the federal government has usurped authorities from the states, the states still have the latitude to steal or protect liberty. Running from one "socialist" state to a state which offers to protect your freedoms serves the purpose of the republic. There is still a large frontier in the mountain states which still respect freedom.

California has a great number of decent and hardworking people, but thay also have the large urban areas like LA and SF which saturate the voting numbers and turn it into a "blue" state. When there are no longer any tax-paying citizens, the state will be required to change to survive. California is no longer the bellweather state that it was. Nevada is being California, but there is a great deal of resistance.

I fled from PDRK due to the level of taxation and the decreasing quality of life...and most importantly, because every new law may make me a criminal.
 
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