Why live there?
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James Bondrock
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HEY!!! (I moved here two months ago after living in CA all my life.)
What resistance is this?So many people have made such good repliies (snake eyes in particular) that I can't add much.
I would love to move to another state, for reasons other / in addition to guns, but several of the aforementioned circumstances do not make it feasible at this time.
While I am in MD I will take the stance of gun-fucious and try to change the anti-gun environment whenever I can.
If I win the lottery it might change everything. Oh - I guess I need to buy some tickets.
I would love to move to another state, for reasons other / in addition to guns, but several of the aforementioned circumstances do not make it feasible at this time.
While I am in MD I will take the stance of gun-fucious and try to change the anti-gun environment whenever I can.
If I win the lottery it might change everything. Oh - I guess I need to buy some tickets.
BluesBear
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Thank goodness we still have Oregon to cushion us.
Actually I wouldn't mind some decent 2A people from PRC moving up here.
All of the Golden State Immigrants I have met so far have either been Bleeding Heart Blissninnys or just Supersized Rectums.
I realize that all Californians aren't bad. It's just that 98% are giving the remaining 2% a bad name.
rayra
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Why stay in CA? Because I have significant family and business ties here. Because for all it's societal flaws, its geography encompasses an entire World of options and uses. Because the careers I've chosen / fallen into are lucrative here. Because there is a HUGE range of cultural events here.
Because I am NOT a single-issue Voter, or driven by single aspects of anything.
And lastly, many people have quoted this Robert Heinlein-ism, and I do so here as well -
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them
tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break
them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
for everything I do." Professor Bernardo de la Paz
Why stay in CA? Because I have significant family and business ties here. Because for all it's societal flaws, its geography encompasses an entire World of options and uses. Because the careers I've chosen / fallen into are lucrative here. Because there is a HUGE range of cultural events here.
Because I am NOT a single-issue Voter, or driven by single aspects of anything.
And lastly, many people have quoted this Robert Heinlein-ism, and I do so here as well -
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them
tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break
them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
for everything I do." Professor Bernardo de la Paz
You have to deal with some $#!^ to live here. And it's easy to complain. But it's pretty darn good all the same. There's some freaks out here, but there are some great people here as well. There is no Utopia. And the surf stinks in Arizona.
Even with the BS. I can still hunt, shoot, vote, and then catch some waves and watch the babes on the beach. Did Gray Davis send in Cruz Bustamecha to kick in my door and rape my family, chop my hands off and kill my kids because I voted to recall him, and encouraged others to do so as well?
No.
Am I a free man?
Yes.
Even with the BS. I can still hunt, shoot, vote, and then catch some waves and watch the babes on the beach. Did Gray Davis send in Cruz Bustamecha to kick in my door and rape my family, chop my hands off and kill my kids because I voted to recall him, and encouraged others to do so as well?
No.
Am I a free man?
Yes.
Beetle Bailey
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Lone_Gunman you are correct, but I still would rather try to change people's minds than just get up and leave. I'm just not ready to throw in the towel. And, as I said, I have other reasons to want to stay.
Valkman
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Like James, I moved to NV just 2 months ago after 47 years in CA. I'm on Long Term Disability, have no kids and not much family anymore, so when I met a lady from Vegas and married her I moved here. It was still tough as all my friends are back in Kali as is all the good motorcycle roads. I put 31k miles in 2 years on my bike so it's a big deal to me to suddenly move to where there's almost nowhere to ride that isn't a straight road. I've tried to counter that by buying 4 guns in those 2 months (can't do that in Kali!) and got a whole reloading set-up. Since I can't ride I'll shoot!
I don't know what that means either, but at least we have preemption so no new laws can be passed except at the state level. Las Vegas probably has the strictest laws in NV with handgun registration, but the CCW laws continue to get better from when they were passed.
I don't know what that means either, but at least we have preemption so no new laws can be passed except at the state level. Las Vegas probably has the strictest laws in NV with handgun registration, but the CCW laws continue to get better from when they were passed.
Nanook
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"I don't think moving out of the state is running from the problem. I see it as a form of protest and probably a very effective one. A LOT of people are doing it. In these times of state's financial crisis that's gotta hurt em where it counts. I say give it to em while the giving is good. Leave them dangling for trampling citizen's rights"
I agree with Ryder; sometimes the only things politicans understand is when the money disappears. I'm looking for a place even as we speak in Indiana. I'll still work in Illinois, but I don't wish to live in a place where I'm treated like a criminal, usually by a criminal, just for owing guns.
The extra drive to work will be a small price to pay.
I agree with Ryder; sometimes the only things politicans understand is when the money disappears. I'm looking for a place even as we speak in Indiana. I'll still work in Illinois, but I don't wish to live in a place where I'm treated like a criminal, usually by a criminal, just for owing guns.
The extra drive to work will be a small price to pay.
Sean Smith
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Well, I've been to California twice. Its two main virtues that I could discern are the weather and In-N-Out burgers. Double-double with well-done fries please!
FPrice
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"Everyone who has ever immigrated to the US solved some problem by running away."
Only on a personnel level - they did NOT solve the problem they left behind.
And this is the point many of us are addressing. Leaving an anti-2A state may make our personal situation better but it does nothing to solve the problem you left in that state. Dedicated pro-gun rights people who stay and work to improve the laws are trying to correct the problem for others.
The issue of depriving an anti-2A state of your money is really a non-issue. Politicians, when faced with a lack of money caused by your departure will merely tax the remaining citizens that much more.
Only on a personnel level - they did NOT solve the problem they left behind.
And this is the point many of us are addressing. Leaving an anti-2A state may make our personal situation better but it does nothing to solve the problem you left in that state. Dedicated pro-gun rights people who stay and work to improve the laws are trying to correct the problem for others.
The issue of depriving an anti-2A state of your money is really a non-issue. Politicians, when faced with a lack of money caused by your departure will merely tax the remaining citizens that much more.
New York State is not as bad as you make it out to be. Yes, the handgun permit system takes a while to wade through, but I dont choose to live here (aside from having been born here) based on the gun laws of the state..... the state has many fine qualities to it that I don't see in other states I go through. I'm staying.At least the state HAS a permit system where it is possible to get CCW, unlike OH and some other states I read about on the net ona regular basis....I only wish that as complex as the permit process is that they would build some reciprocity with other states permits into the system.....
Or try getting good Mexican food in upstate NY, hah (but all the Italian you can eat).
Define "good Mexican food"
I think we do pretty good here at times in any of the food categories.
Or try getting good Mexican food in upstate NY, hah (but all the Italian you can eat).
Define "good Mexican food"
I think we do pretty good here at times in any of the food categories.
James Bondrock
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Mmmm, In-N-Out Burgers! I was pleased to find them here, too. So I didn't really move that far.
Brat7748
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Because I am 3rd generation to run the family business...but someday I am out of here for New Hampshire. While we do have some GREAT italian and some GREAT Steak places, they don't begin to make up for the high property, sales and income taxes, let alone the fees, rules, regs...and I am ashamed by our selection of US Senators
Penforhire
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tcsd, sorry, I lived in Fayetteville, worked in Cazenovia, and travelled to Ithica and surrounding areas plenty (1992-1995). One good Mexican restaurant opened and shortly closed in Syracuse while I was there. Only a Taco Bell survived. Yeah, if I drove six hours to NYC I could find the best of any cuisine on the planet. The only food I miss from upstate NY was good haddock on fridays, available just about everywhere.
Schuey2002
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Earlier this morning I charted a Greyhound bus and had it drive to Eugene; where it was then loaded full of anarchist, tree-huggin', pot-smokin', alien offspring of 60's Hippies from the University of Oregon..
It should be arriving at the Tacoma Greyhound Terminal by the time you read this.. Enjoy!
Balog
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Do I get to pick the family member?
Brat7748
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Penforhire, did you ever try Casa -to-mucha in Utica? (New Hartford)
BluesBear
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I'll alert Starbucks so they can call in extra Barristas to handle the rush.
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Why indeed?
B/C my retirement is good and I don't want to start a second career. I'd like to finish mine, get my 3% at 55 and pull out with something like 85% plus of what I'm making. 80% is the magic # you need to maintain your lifestyle.
Still trying to figure out which gun friendly state to move to. May keep the house in CA just for a winter place (Nov-Feb. without snow is nice).
B/C my retirement is good and I don't want to start a second career. I'd like to finish mine, get my 3% at 55 and pull out with something like 85% plus of what I'm making. 80% is the magic # you need to maintain your lifestyle.
Still trying to figure out which gun friendly state to move to. May keep the house in CA just for a winter place (Nov-Feb. without snow is nice).
chaim
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While I'd like to get out of MD someday soon (and I still think I probably will), there are good reasons to stay and that make leaving harder.
-I was born here and almost all my personal history is here.
-Guns aren't the only issue in the world and MD isn't all bad. All 4 seasons (none that are too bad). Central MD is very urban with many job, educational, recreational, entertainment, and cultural opportunities. You are a two hour drive from the mountains and seclusion, you are near some farm country if you want a country drive, and you are two hours from the beach. There are lots of good fishing and boating opportunities (many rivers, Deep Creek Lake- a large man-made lake in western MD, the Cheasapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean).
-Family. My parents and my brother are here.
-Many close friends. I do have close friends who have moved but none have gone to particularly good gun areas (CA, NJ, France, and Israel).
-Networking. For finding jobs networking can be your most valuable asset and your personal network tends to be where you live (though the internet can help with that somewhat).
-There is a strong Jewish community in Baltimore. Orthodox Judaism is a very communal religion, to the point where it is virtually impossible to practice properly in seclusion. You need a minyan for many prayers, you need to have access to kosher food, you need access to a shetznes lab (you can't have mixes of linen and wool threads in any garment, even in the lining). Shabbos is very different, and loses quite a lot, alone. The largest communities in the US aren't in areas that are much better (NY, LA, Chicago). Miami is the only large community in a truly good area for guns. However, there are a few good smaller Jewish communities in better gun areas (Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Las Vegas, Memphis, Houston, Milwaulkee, St. Paul/Minneapolis), but none are nearly as strong as Baltimore.
-Moving out of state can be quite expensive.
-Finding a job in another state can be difficult and expensive.
-Moving before finding a job requires a fairly large amount of savings (and the willingness to risk needing to go through it all).
-If all conservatives, gun owners or moderates left the most liberal and anti-gun states it would be bad for the rest of the country. If you think those MD sends to office now are bad, just think who you'd get if only the far-left had a say here. Also, even in the most liberal states there are areas that are atypical and send conservatives to Congress. Would you really want all of MD's Representatives to be far-left Democrats and anti-gun?
-I was born here and almost all my personal history is here.
-Guns aren't the only issue in the world and MD isn't all bad. All 4 seasons (none that are too bad). Central MD is very urban with many job, educational, recreational, entertainment, and cultural opportunities. You are a two hour drive from the mountains and seclusion, you are near some farm country if you want a country drive, and you are two hours from the beach. There are lots of good fishing and boating opportunities (many rivers, Deep Creek Lake- a large man-made lake in western MD, the Cheasapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean).
-Family. My parents and my brother are here.
-Many close friends. I do have close friends who have moved but none have gone to particularly good gun areas (CA, NJ, France, and Israel).
-Networking. For finding jobs networking can be your most valuable asset and your personal network tends to be where you live (though the internet can help with that somewhat).
-There is a strong Jewish community in Baltimore. Orthodox Judaism is a very communal religion, to the point where it is virtually impossible to practice properly in seclusion. You need a minyan for many prayers, you need to have access to kosher food, you need access to a shetznes lab (you can't have mixes of linen and wool threads in any garment, even in the lining). Shabbos is very different, and loses quite a lot, alone. The largest communities in the US aren't in areas that are much better (NY, LA, Chicago). Miami is the only large community in a truly good area for guns. However, there are a few good smaller Jewish communities in better gun areas (Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Las Vegas, Memphis, Houston, Milwaulkee, St. Paul/Minneapolis), but none are nearly as strong as Baltimore.
-Moving out of state can be quite expensive.
-Finding a job in another state can be difficult and expensive.
-Moving before finding a job requires a fairly large amount of savings (and the willingness to risk needing to go through it all).
-If all conservatives, gun owners or moderates left the most liberal and anti-gun states it would be bad for the rest of the country. If you think those MD sends to office now are bad, just think who you'd get if only the far-left had a say here. Also, even in the most liberal states there are areas that are atypical and send conservatives to Congress. Would you really want all of MD's Representatives to be far-left Democrats and anti-gun?
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