Are you saying that no one trains for this eventuality? The usual step up would be from less lethal to lethal.
Are YOU saying we should have beanbag or rubber buckshot loaded and then "load up" to something more lethal??
That something is seldom done doesn't mean it is without its merits. How often are you gonna need 20 rounds of buckshot or the reload of yet another magazine? Do you practice mag changes anyways? If so why?
I hope I don't NEED 20 rds. of buckshot as I don't own a drum mag.
I DO own more then one mag -- some are 5 rds. and some are 10 rds.
Do I practice mag changes ?? YES , with Rifles , Shotguns , and Handguns. I even practice "reloading" my revolvers. As to WHY --- to get better/faster. BTW --- you NEVER did post a link where someone changed from a lethal to a non-lethal shotshell while under fire.
So what? Plan on missing a lot?
Where to start with this one -- Maybe unlike YOU , I DO MISS when someone is shooting at me. Also , you can shoot to make/keep the BG under cover or shooting back at you. I KNOW FOR A FACT THIS WORKS or I would not be alive now.
A S-12 basic+conversion is rapidly approaching or exceeding $1k, depending on the mods. One can still get three decent pump guns for that price. The other way of making the point would be that there isn't enough value added for the mag fed semi-auto to make its price point sensible compared to the tube fed pump or semi.
Did you just quote me or read it first,
The Saiga S-12 , up untill the election , could be bought for under $400 , then add another $300 to convert it to pistol grip etc. etc. -- you would still be UNDER the price of a mag-fed shotgun that I bought in the 1980s. And with Ed Brown etc. etc. 1911 .45s at over $1000 , who is crying about a $1000 shotgun ---- and BTW , how much is it for a good O/U Trap gun ???
Again, for the price the pump shotgun gives up almost nothing to a Saiga but a spray and pray mode of operation. Next to no one in the real world needs the firepower the S-12 can bring, as thrilling as it may be to shoot. I am not for banning the S-12 or having it needlessly reclassified as a DD by the batmen, but it is also not God's gift to combat shotgunnery for everyone.
a spray and pray mode of operation ??? PLEASE !!!! Next to no one in the real world needs the firepower the S-12 can bring --- I could say the same thing about your beloved pumpgun except it would sound lame !! Maybe we all better go back to double barrels ?? Wait --- no one in the Real World would need Two Shots unless they planned on missing alot !!!!!
Certainly you aren't this ignorant of military history? The tube fed shotgun is still a front line weapon in our military and has been since 1897. Turned on its ear, "If the mag fed shotgun is so inarguably great, why doesn't it enjoy more widespread appeal?"
Nice try ---- did YOU read what you quoted me ??? I SAID "IF the tube-fed FIREARM is so great, then WHY is it that EVERY army in the whole world -- uses detatchable mags ??????? " ----- and I even typed FIREARM in capital letters.
Care to ansewer the question on why ??? And NO -- Certainly you aren't this ignorant of military history? I know pump shotguns have been in use from WW1 -- thats why I said FIREARMS and not SHOTGUNS.
You don't have to act like someone just shot your dog over it.
Boats ---- you have NO IDEA how I would act if someone shot my dog.
Funny no one has got in touch to take my bet --- money up Boys.