Why University Cops & Administrators Don't Want CC on Campus

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Long ago the administrators decided that students are nothing more than livestock to be herded, driven, fleeced and milked. The dean and everyone in that administration should not be employed or employable anywhere.

This story does serve the purpose of showing the contempt that colleges and universities have for their students.
 
UNSAT the top level staff and top level police staff and any one else who was behind this drill should be fired with out execption. Having plans in place and practice is one thing but putting unsuspecting folks into the "game" is alarming.
Hey here is an idea set off some smoke grenades and light a few trash cans on fire in an occupied building just to drill the local fire department and see what reaction you get.
Over all grade for the police department and the school administration=FAIL!
 
This "drill" is the most idiotic crap I have heard of lately.

College campuses are really scary places. Quite often assaults, robberies and rapes are never reported to the local police. The school administration shushes it up. There is even a case where the murder of a co-ed on campus was shushed up.

The murder of the co-ed did not stay shushed up and the parents are suing the college. The FBI is involved because the failure to notify the local police of the murder was a violation of federal law. Now the college is in danger of losing its free federal money.
 
Wow. I can hardly believe that someone pulled this off with a straight face and lived to tell the tale (occupationally, that is). I'd have been screaming for resignations.
 
The police chief of the university I live near is on record as being OK with student and staff CCW.
 
Just goes to show no matter how educated you are, you still may not have the common sense God gave a turnip. The entire administration and police force at this campus should be terminated, they are idiots, absolute idiots.
How would these intellectual giants have explained a citizen taking action and killing the campus officer. The officer who agreed to play this part is also well shy of a full load agreeing to act in this part.
The fact the administrator even attempts to justify this just proves he is an idiot, did I say that he is an idiot, I don't think we could say that enough, he is an idiot...........
 
I might add that if my child was attending this school this would be the last semister.
 
Whew...hard work, I'm pooped.

Local College Causes Stir With Gunman Drill

Some Elizabeth State University students are upset after being almost scared to death by a recent safety drill on campus.

On Friday, an undercover campus officer barged into a history class in the Moore building and held the class hostage. According to students, he even held a gun to the professor's head! It was all part of an emergency alert system drill that the school was planning for months. Problem is...not everyone knew it was a drill.

Four days earlier, the school did begin sending out emails to students saying there would be some sort of emergency drill on Friday. It did not specify where or exactly what time the drill would occur. It also did not mention the nature of the drill.

Then, on Friday, a few minutes before it all went down, the school sent out an alert saying there would be an armed intruder in Moore building who would be detained by campus police. Again, it did not specify which classroom. However, only about half the campus has voluntarily signed up for the instant text alerts to their phones, so most people in that particular classroom, including the professor in that class, had no idea it was a drill.

By phone on Monday morning, Professor Jingbin Wang said he was shocked and did not know it was a drill. "Everyone was scared," he said. He said some students were prepared to jump out the window. Another colleague told him that her students were using tables and chairs to block the door of their classroom. "Her heart was racing," he said about his fellow teacher.

"I cannot believe a university would subject their own students to such a horrific event," one family member of a student in that classroom wrote us. " They were terrified! It is extremely poor judgement on the part of the administration at ECSU."

Effective training for students in the wake of the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University shootings? Or a safety drill taken one step too far?

Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs Anthony Brown took our questions Monday afternoon.

"If there are people who have concerns and they were surprised, it was not our intention to surprise or shock anybody and if that occurs we are there for them," said Brown. "I really offer our sincere apology, because that was not the intent of this."

Then we asked him point blank, "Don't you think a normal person would be shocked if the person coming at their professor with a gun was a campus officer?

"Well, we did send out emails five days in advance and continued it through with alerts," said Brown.

We then pointed out that those initial alerts did not mention a gunman!

"No," he said. "That alert occurred on the day, on the day of the event."

So then we pressed further, that isn't it true that the school was absolutely aware that not all students would get that alert because not all students are signed up for the alert.

"That's absolutely true," he said. "That's where we have to test out the system and our communication among each other. Because if your neighbor knows something and you don't that tests something, that tests the communication. We should look out for each other, so that's something we learned. Paper and text and emails are one thing, but word of mouth is perhaps most important."

Again, word of mouth obviously did not spread around in time for the students in this classroom to get the warning this was a drill.

One student we talked to requested a private meeting with administration regarding her terrifying experience during the drill.

For now, the school is standing by the drill, saying that the administration, campus police and students learned from the experience. More drills are planned.

If you would like to sign up for the school's alerts to come instantly to your cell or your email, head to http://www.ecsc.edu and look for the sparkly icon at the very top of the homepage called PIER Emergency Communications System.
 
why is this not considered AWDW?

how is this not a crime?

I would be suing if I was a student.
 
Lemme guess...

Placing a gun to the head of an unsuspecting professor is not a crime because "it was just a drill," but if that professor were to fight back I bet it would cease to be "just a drill" right then, and become assault on a police officer.

Oh, and BTW, what happens when some whacko decides to hold a class hostage for real, and everyone on campus assumes its just the police playing cops and robbers again? What if someone has a gun to an campus police officer's head, and 43 people just watch because they think its just another regularly scheduled drill? Yeah, lets just keep simulating crimes across the entire campus untill nobody can tell whats real and whats not.

I've always suspected the world's biggest idiots never left college......
 
Stupid cop is lucky to be alive.

LOTS of students across the country are arming themselves DESPITE the idiotic school policies ... and Elizabeth State is in North Carolina, so the likelihood of armed students is probably greater there than a lot of parts of the country.

Craziness.
 
INSANE!! Reminds me of that mass drug search of a high school in South Carolina I think it was. Cops barging in with dogs and pointing guns at students.

All I can say is with Barney Fife thinking like this it just adds more credence to folks who want to take personal responsibility for their own safety.
 
From the university website:

ECSU tests emergency preparedness plan
Kesha Williams
February 26, 2008

Elizabeth City State University is one of many universities in the University of North Carolina system using the Public Information Emergency Response System (PIER). The system is one of many communication tools ECSU uses to relay messages during emergencies or events that interrupt the normal operating hours.

Last Friday, the university conducted one of many routine drills to determine how well university officials can respond to a crisis. Unlike other situations that centered around a natural disaster such as a fire or tornado drill, university officials used a scenario involving an intruder.

Five days in advance, the ECSU Office of University Relations & Marketing distributed messages by an internal, mass, phone number network and by e-mail. Students, staff and faculty were warned the university would conduct an emergency response drill. At approximately 1:31 pm students, staff and faculty received e-mail and text messages to announce the start of the drill:

“This is a test. ECSU is holding a test drill where an armed intruder will enter a room in Moore Hall and be detained by Campus Police.”

Campus Police took the steps they normally would in such a situation. They set up road blocks at the major entrances of campus. They surrounded Moore Hall where the scenario was taking place in a second floor classroom. The intruder was also a member of the Campus Police squad. He held a plastic, red model gun used for such drills. Less than 15 minutes later, the scenario ended and the intruder, Mr. Williams was escorted away from the building by his Campus Police peers.

Dr. Anthony Brown, vice chancellor for Student Affairs at ECSU, says the entire drill helped university officials determine their level of preparedness and the improvements that must be made.

“Student safety and campus security is a concern for all of us, and measures must be taken to test the preparedness of our emergency crisis systems. Tabletop exercises and real time scenarios are just one of those measurements.” Dr. Brown said.

ECSU Chancellor Willie J. Gilchrist is well aware of the kinds of crisis situations facing schools and universities across the nation. He decided the university needed to increase the usual scope of drill scenarios.

“ECSU is located on the coast of North Carolina so we are subject to far more hurricanes, tropical storms and evacuations than other University of North Carolina universities. We want to prepare students, staff and faculty for emergencies but emergencies are not always related to the weather,” Gilchrist said. “We made every effort to inform our students, staff and faculty five days in advance that a drill would be conducted.”

“We did not inform that particular class per se, but it was a learning experience beyond table top experiences where every person knows what is going to happen next. Unfortunately we learned lessons from frightened students that result when live scenarios are carried out. However, we want our campus to be ready in case of such an event,” Gilchrist said.

University counselors remain available for any students who were troubled by the drill.
 
It's unfortunate that the students didn't rush the cop and beat him to death. Or the professor fillet him with his Spyderco. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by this statement, but sometimes the consequences of such stupidity needs to be severe.
 
I would have killed him, but then I'd be going to prison. The real object of the exercise is to keep students uncertain and keep them from fighting back for fear it's just another drill.
 
This brings up an interesting question. Several people on this board have stated "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6" while I believe we need to stay high road and obey the law, I can imagine times when we may make an informed decision to disobey the law for the protections of ourselves, friends, family, etc. However, this shows the difficult predicament we find ourselves in: what constitutes a valid situation to defend another person? If someone had shot and killed the officer there is no doubt in my mind they would be tried for a number of things. Do we need to wait until a gunman actually starts shooting or harming or killing? As far as I'm concerned, I think I would wait until the assailant has declared his intentions so clearly that even the most brain-dead juror would recognize agree with my actions. What do y'all think?
 
So the campus cops/mall ninjas want to test their response to an armed intruder by performing a "drill" like this during a regular class and all the students weren't notified (apparently)?

Why not tell the class right then, "In a couple minutes Joe here will bust in with a gun and perform a drill ok, so don't freak out"? Did they want a more realistic reaction? Ahh so maybe they DIDN'T want the kids to know and DID want them genuinely freaked out. That campus cop is extremely lucky to be alive and i'm not sure he even deserves to be.
 
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