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Wife needs shooting technique help.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by egyas, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. stickhauler

    stickhauler Well-Known Member

    I'd no more try to teach my wife how to shoot than I'd go shopping for her wardrobe. Jewelry is OK, she says I have amazing abilities to choose stuff she likes. I think that's just a con job to convince me that buying expensive stuff is preferable to trying to go the cheaper route.
  2. loose noose

    loose noose Well-Known Member

    9mm, I'm not exactly sure what you state as the "Modified Weaver Stance" having any affect on her trigger control? Perhaps we're talking about a different stance all together. Any type of shooting stance requires proper trigger control to consistently hit your target. I beleive the original poster said his wife's breast were quite large. Therefore I beleive in using a modified Weaver stance would help, as the Isoseles Stance would actually hinder, as well as the Weaver stance would in this case. Remember the main two functions used in combat shooting is "sight alignment and trigger control".:)
  3. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    If you reread what I wrote, you see that it isn't what you have posted.

    I posted:
    ...which speaks to the how the force variables affect the grip, not the trigger control.

    What I further posted was that these grip variables affect the learning of trigger control. That is that it makes it harder to correctly learn trigger control because it is harder to maintain a consistent learning base to judge corrections to the grip

    Once you have learned correct trigger control, what I call trigger management, you can utilize and stance you want. You can even shoot while standing on one foot...which a lot of action shooters will do in competition

    My understanding is that the Modified Weaver is closer to the Chapman where the feet/body is more bladed away from the target (since the Weaver and Modern Isosceles use the same foot placement).

    I would think that blading the body would only exaggerate the problem
  4. loose noose

    loose noose Well-Known Member

    9mm, now I know what you're saying, but I thought she was allready an outstanding shot with the rifle, therefore I thought she had trigger control down. I was thinking using a "Modified Weaver Stance" that it would have a way of, shall I say, shooting around her breasts.:)
  5. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    I wouldn't personally assume that. There is something about taking away the rear pivoting anchor point when aligning a handgun that adversely affects trigger management
  6. TonyDedo

    TonyDedo Well-Known Member

    +1 for professional, in person advice.

    We can spout all the theory in the world, but no advice we can give will counter "but that doesn't feel comfortable." You have to be there in person, and she needs to be open minded to advice.

    It'll be well worth paying for a few hours with a professional coach.
  7. mgmorden

    mgmorden Well-Known Member

    That's about how I view it. One of Bruce Lee's main things that he railed against in martial arts was that too many people became so devoted to specific techniques that they wasted time and energy moving into specific stances while fighting. By learning to fight from whatever position you happened to find yourself in, he was more efficient and deadly.

    I look at handgun shooting much the same way. I line up my sights and take my shots. I don't worry about what position my body is in as during an action-shooting course it may be just about anywhere as moving about the field requires.
  8. egyas

    egyas Well-Known Member

    Guys, thanks for all the advice. I decided to heed the many calls for outside advice, and I'm talking to an instructor at the local indoor range.

    Just for clarification, by "teach her how to shoot" I was referring to the fundamentals, safety, and what I was taught about the isosceles stance. We tried many options trying to find something comfortable for her, but I wasn't trying to force her into anything specific.
  9. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    Hmm. That is not a problem for me and I would say that my frontal real estate is substantial.

    My stance tends to be leaning a bit forward, both elbows slightly to moderately bent (def. not locked), and probably because I'm leaning forward, my arms are up high enough for clearance :D

    I do IDPA practice so I have a more flexible stance...since we do alot of moving. I'm not claiming any perfect stance or great skill tho. Jus' sayin'.
  10. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    I don't think anyone was thinking you were forcing her into anything. It was mostly advocates of the two major shooting styles trying to present their side...it is like a cold war :eek:

    There really is a lot more to correct shooting grip/stance/style and technique than many believe. The biggest thing is understanding why certain things are done certain ways that help a new shooter accomplish the goal...rather than just copy what they are shown.

    You'll often hear, "one style doesn't fit everyone" or "do what works for you", and I suspect that comes from people who don't really understand the optimal technique to accomplish what they want. There are many paths to attain the goal and there are different goals in shooting...but there is an optimal way to do it
  11. Sheepdog1968

    Sheepdog1968 Well-Known Member

    Does she have any female friends or is there any females at the range with a similar body type as hers? In all likelyhood, a woman of a similar body type to your wife is probably going to have the best advice.
  12. CommanderCrusty

    CommanderCrusty Well-Known Member

    Firing stance is NOT a fundamental. Let me say it again so you'll know I said it on purpose: Firing stance is NOT a fundamental. Why not? If you can hit with Isosceles, and I can hit with Weaver, than neither stance is a requirement for good shooting. Right? Therefore NOT a fundamental.

    So, what ARE the fundamentals (with a nod to Brian Enos)?

    1. She must find the target. A clear target focus will help her quickly drive the gun onto the target.
    2. She must put the gun on the target. Maybe literally touching the target, but usually visually putting the front sight on the target.
    3. She must keep the gun on the target while she fires the shot. When she sees the muzzle flash, she will know the bullet has left the barrel.

    So, teach her how to use her eyes to find and focus on the target.

    Teach her to put the gun on the target using whatever stance feels most comfortable. They ain't called hand-s-guns! She can shoot one handed all day long and still hit the target with no interference from The Girls.

    Teach her to follow through using the old dime on the barrel or slide, big, close targets and, perhaps best of all, a laser sight. With a laser, she can shoot one handed, two handed, elbow on the ground, behind her back. Wherever she can see to put that laser dot, she can learn to roll that trigger back and get good hits. Can't afford a laser? Watch for that muzzle flash. It is there, to some degree, with every load in every gun.

    Tip number two, when all else fails, pay someone ELSE to train her. Sometimes we just can't teach wives or children.
  13. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    I always recommend a spouse not try to train their partner. Too many complicated dynamics.
    I also don't recommend an amateur train someone on something this critical once it becomes apparent that there's something being lost in communication.




    Which of the above triangles provides less of "pinch"?

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