Will Gun Control Go Away?

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but we don't do politics here.
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I don't see how anyone could possibly talk about gun laws without becoming political. Talking about gun control is like talking about abortion in that it can barely be discussed without talking politics. And, since we don't do politics here, I guess I can't discuss it.
 
Interestingly, back in the late 19th / early 20th centuries in places like Utah and Arizona, it was not illegal for a convicted felon to own a gun, after they were released from prison. Residents seemed to take an all-is-forgiven attitude so long as past criminal activity didn’t become a present one. A case in point was Robert LeRoy Parker, better known as Butch Cassidy. When Butch, a well-known train and bank robber got out of jail he promptly (and legally) bought a six-shooter and probably additional armament. Unquestionably if he couldn’t have legally bought firearms he would have obtained them anyway. Unfortunately it didn’t take Cassidy long to return to his previous occupation, and reward posters were distributed putting a substantial price on his head. These however had everything to do with his leanings toward robbery, and nothing about how he obtained his hardware.

At a much later time I had a discussion about Arizona very loose gun control laws, with a current day lawman. As a practical matter there are very few state or local statutes that are concerned with the subject, and I think we will soon earn a “F-” grade from the Brady Bunch – a fact that gives us great satisfaction. Anyway he said that he didn’t give a hoot who had or carried a gun, because there wasn’t a whole lot he could do about it one way or the other. However if they used the gun(s) to commit crimes it would quickly become his business and he would do something about it. He had a reputation for doing exactly that.

He (and I) keep in mind that former felons come in various flavors- some reformed, some not. When the latter get caught after being involved in a current offence they should be dealt with in light of their recent behavior, and a court should make it clear to them that they should have learned better the first time.
 
+1 Old Fluff

I have a cousin who was an avid hunter as a kid. When he was in his late teens, he was in a vehicle accident that was wholly his fault (alcohol was involved), and someone died. I agree with the judge who threw the book at him, it was a stupid move that destroyed a lot of lives.

That being said, he doesn't have a violent bone in his body. He would never intentionally hurt another human being. He learned his lesson and is completely responsible in his life, and I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever with him owning an armory. But, because the accident was ruled as a felony (vehicular homicide), he'll never be able to own firearms the way things are now.

He's served his time, but will be punished by not being able to hunt ever again. Right or wrong, I don't really know, but it sure seems unfair to keep punishing him.
 
Daley: Always mistaken but never uncertain. Seems to me that his idea of banning gun stores would be a restraint of trade--which laws have always struck me as way too much unused.
 
Be careful there... If a community decides that getting 2 speeding tickets in a year is a felony.. Poof there goes someone's right to purchase or own guns...
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vett3v brings up a good point. IMO post-Heller & McDonald gun control advocate will focus less on "gun ban" type laws, and more on expanding the list of prohibited persons so that fewer people are permitted to own firearms. Misdemeanor conviction? No guns for you. Taking medication for a mental disorder such as schizophrenia or bipolarism? No guns for you.
 
I don't want felons able to legally buy guns.
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Be careful there... If a community decides that getting 2 speeding tickets in a year is a felony.. Poof there goes someone's right to purchase or own guns...
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I'm of the opinion that at a minimum the restriction against felons owning guns ought to apply only to violent felonies and perhaps drug felonies. This would be more in keeping with safety justifications. Denial of gun ownership as a form of continued punishment itself seems a little sketchy. People would be up in arms if you limited activities protected by the first amendment on those grounds.
 
IMO post-Heller & McDonald gun control advocate will focus less on "gun ban" type laws, and more on expanding the list of prohibited persons so that fewer people are permitted to own firearms.
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I imagine the tactic will be that used in D.C., replacing outright bans with expensive, time consuming, arduous, permit processes and the like. This is likely to be rather effective in terms of preventing ownership if it is allowed. Look at the number of people that own guns compared to those that own NFA items. I also know a number of people that have a desire to get carry permits that have yet to do so because the time and/or expense has them pushing it off to another day.

The next legal battle is likely to be the lever of scrutiny that gun control measures must pass. That will key to what types of measures are allowed and which will be struck.
 
in Washington State, I feel we have the best CCW permit process until 'constitutional carry' like AK, VT, etc. We're 'Shall Issue', the permit is $55 for five years, and no training requirement. The state restrictions for the permit are the easy (no felony, no involuntary commitment for mental reasons, no pending charges or awaiting trial).

Is it so strange that I'm opposed to a training requirement for ownership of weapons or CCW? I think everyone should be trained in firearms handling and safety before they carry, but I hate the requirement in order to purchase one. Thoughts?
 
'm of the opinion that at a minimum the restriction against felons owning guns ought to apply only to violent felonies and perhaps drug felonies.
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Perhaps not?

Drug crime is unregulated business between willing buyer and willing seller.

If you serve your time for doing elicit (non-violent) business you should have the right to defend yourself, not to mention the previously discussed "guess what's a felony now!" effect.

Just my opinion.
 
No troll here...Just been overseas for the last few years. Am back for a month before I head back to the sand box. I've been reading alot of history on our country and realize our country is under seige by a liberal progressive agenda. It is rather shocking to me to come back to america and see it in the shape it is in. We have alot of work to do, but when the question was asked about gun control, one only has to look at the politics of it. The lines are clearly drawn, at least as I see it. I don't often get chance to get on here, but don't mistake my low post count for a lack of understanding what is at stake. Having grown up in europe (father was military) I've seen first hand how the socialist left has disarmed its public. Ive seen the right over the years support those same beliefs. The point I was making , How be it very strongly worded is that I believe it started with the left and has moved into the right...why, because the governments do NOT want an armed public that could "change" things in crises. History is full of this, our founding fathers attempted to correct this with the second amendment, why has it even come to the point where we find ourselves having to fight for the right...what have we been taught that even remotly gives creedance to the possibility that this isn't a right at all?

My post wasn't meant to be a drive by shooting...just a reaction to information overload upon my return to the states...I'll try to moderate my "feelings" alittle so I don't offend those sensitive souls...
 
ldcarson. . . the problem is it's not really a 'right vs left' debate as much as it initially seems. it's a 'control vs freedom' debate. Right now it's the 'left' that has the control side of the board.

We have to defend our freedoms, no matter who wants to take them away. The first two amendments to the constitution are there because they are the most important. Speech is the most important, but it doesn't do any good if you don't have teeth.
 
Will Gun Control Go Away?
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No.

It will, however, in likelihood, probably have to meet a standard of reasonableness, which will be determined by various courts.

Thanks for your continuing service. Please do your best to remain safe and come back to enjoy the fruits of what you labor to protect for us.
 
ldcarson: Obviously, you are not a troll, and your post is rational; no apology or moderating on your part is needed--it's just in the wrong forum..

THR has a policy of "No Political Discussions." Period, end-stop. For political discussions, go on over to APS.

Jim H.
 
it should have gone away when the founders wrote the second amendment in the bill of rights. since that didnt work, i dont think gun control will ever go away.
 
I just hope that if the liberal tide is turned back somewhat this November and Obama is replaced by a 2A friendly President in 2012, our side will *NOT* get complacent.
 
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During the fight over GCA '68, its supporters insisted it was necessary to keep "them" from getting guns. "They" were dangerous and criminally inclined. "They" had shown they could not control themselves. The law would end mail order gun sales so all sales would have to be "face to face", a phrase repeated over and over by supporters of the bill. It was assumed that a dealer would refuse to sell a gun if the prospective buyer had the wrong face.

Now no dealer can tell a criminal by his face. There is only one thing a person's face will tell, and that is his or her race. So now you know who "they" are, who are, according to the poliiticians, irresponsible and should not be allowed to have guns. In case you didn't notice, the cities with the most restrictive gun laws are the cities with large numbers of "them."

Yet many of "them" support gun control, accepting that "they" are somehow evil and should not have the same rights as others.

Jim
 
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