Wisconsin Concealed Carry Passes Committee

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Wow, Senator Risser is a real idiot.
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He really is. He's been in the legislature since 1954. They pretty much keep him around as a curio. He doesn't have any real power, and nobody listens much to what he has to say.

Scimmia, there was never a chance that Constitutional Carry would pass. It was always the scary bill that made shall-issue more acceptable.

The only way it could have passed is if there would have been the numbers of letters and phone calls and demonstrations that accompanied Tom Reynolds' bill to abolish that automatic gas tax increase. That's the level of public support needed to overcome legislative insider dealing. No legislator wanted that bill to see the light of day. It was only when Mark Belling did four solid days on his show on the bill, and told people to call their legislators, that the legislators felt forced to vote for the bill.

The only way to get that kind of show of force would be to get every gun owner in the state calling and writing. Unfortunately, as we learned the hard way during the 2001, 2003 and 2005 battles for shall-issue, there's not a lot of strong support in the gun community for CCW, certainly not the kind of support needed to push a Constitutional Carry bill through the objections of both Republicans and Democrats.
 
You could very well be right, Monkeyleg, I'm not intimately familiar with Wis politics and you seem to have a better read on things. Atleast SB93 passed (seconds ago).
 
Reading through the bill, it looks like as long as you had to submit to a background check to get a CCW, it'll be valid in Wisconsin once they get around to publishing a list (as long as you're not a Wisconsin resident). We'll see what the Assembly does with it.
 
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Scimmia, I and other THR members worked as a group for six years pushing for the shall-issue bill. We really learned a lot about how things work in the capitol (and probably every other legislative body in the country).

I'm not saying that constitutional carry wasn't possible. I'm just saying that there wasn't enough noise from the gun community to ever get the bill passed.

We who were working the gun shows for those six years heard most gun owners say they didn't care about CCW, as they didn't want to carry a gun. If they had wanted it, we would have had it in 2001, or maybe even in the 1990's. (The bill was first circulated for co-sponsors in 1991).

If every part of the gun community---hunters, trap shooters, competition shooters, etc--had made noise, this could have been passed long ago. There's just not that many people who want it.
 
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http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...votes-to-legalize-concealed-carry-1422880.php

Wis. Senate votes to legalize concealed carry

DINESH RAMDE, Associated Press
Updated 07:57 p.m., Tuesday, June 14, 2011

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Wisconsin Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would allow concealed weapons in the state Capitol and other public places, but not in police stations, courthouse and other specifically exempted locations.
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Passed the Senate!



Now it needs to pass the House Assembly and then Governor signature.


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Woohoo! I live in Wisconsin. And I'm very happy we're finally making progress on this issue. In theory, constitutional carry is the ideal situation. But I'm quite aware that there are plenty of people that can't operate a car, -- a 2-ton vehicle -- without endangering others and breaking the law everywhere they go. (Turn signals, anyone..? Look before changing lanes? Tailgating? Texting while driving?) I'm glad there are some educational requirements on concealed carry. If you're going to be carrying a weapon around in public, I'd appreciate if you knew how to use it safely BEFOREHAND. It might even raise awareness around gun safety and how CC permit holders tend to be the safest group of firearms users in the country.

In any case, I'm happy this passed the Senate! And I think the requirements are pretty reasonable.
 
I've actually noticed a couple places have had CCW training, despite a lack of permits in WI. I think Fletcher Arms in Waukesha had some classes at some point, but can't be sure on that. Either way, once this passes, plenty of pistol ranges will probably start holding classes. It's more money for them, and permits for us!
 
Either way, once this passes, plenty of pistol ranges will probably start holding classes. It's more money for them, and permits for us!
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That's why it never made sense that Badger in Milwaukee wouldn't support the pro-CCW effort. We'd ask if we could put flyers on their counters, they'd say yes, and the next day they'd be gone, as in tossed out. They didn't help one bit.

They stand to make a ton of money on new guns (when people realize that a 6" revolver isn't easy to conceal), ammo, holsters, training, etc. Why wouldn't they have supported the bills?

The Shooters Shop owner knew it would be a benefit for his business (and customers), and supported us 110%. So did Fletchers, and Deerfield Pistol.
 
The group at Badger was a little off, when I went there. Prices were a bit steep. They're not in the greatest area of town. And they've been involved in some issues with selling guns that ended up being used in crimes in the past. So, I'd guess they've been under pressure from anti-gun folks. I'm not sure what their deal is, but I'm not a huge fan of that shop.

I like Fletcher Arms, as well as Shooters Shop. They seem to be pretty friendly people, and look forward to more business. And I'll happily go to either of those shops for my training, when I get a chance.
 
I was told today that the bill will go to the assembly before the end of the month, and be signed by the end of the month or early July.

Some Republicans wanted the vote on the bill to be put off until the end of the year, after the recall elections, but the NRA did enough arm-twisting that they got the Republicans to agree to pass the bill this month.
 
You guys must be looking at different firearms than I, because I found that Badger has really fair prices and Shooter's is a waste of time. The range is way better at Badger as well. May all be a moot point anyway at the rate MPD officers are suing the place, probably won't be around that much longer.

As for Constitutional carry, I live in Milwaukee and lots of folks I speak to who support Walker and the Republicans are terrified of the prospects of unlicensed carry. You gotta understand that in Wisconsin ANY type of carry is a foreign concept to most folks, and going from a non carry state to a full blown constitutional carry state is a wet dream at best. The proposal for constitutional carry was nothing more than a stalking horse tactic, getting all of the opposition to clamor for permit carry as to "compromise" like others have said. A foot in the door tactic so to speak.

Hell, even Lena Taylor voted for it!

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I also liked how they implemented the training portion. All you need is a firearms safety course, like hunter's safety, to qualify. No super special training class that places would charge 100 dollars for.
 
........I also liked how they implemented the training portion. All you need is a firearms safety course, like hunter's safety, to qualify. No super special training class that places would charge 100 dollars for.
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That's awesome.




So do you need to re-take it every few years like in MN though?


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From what I understand, no you wouldn't. Most people I know who have an interest in carrying already satisfy that requirement, so it's easy peasy for us. If not, hunter safety classes run something like 25-40 bucks, and everyone should have that anyway.

That's the one thing I was worried about with any training requirement; it turns into a money gouging venture by our friendly pro 2A establishments looking to cash in. Kinda like these guys...

http://wiconcealcarryclass.com/default.htm
 
If he has a vote, he has power and a voice.
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In Risser's case, he's a rubber stamp for whatever the Democrat leadership wants. It's a vote, but it's just a second vote for the Democrat senate leader.
 
You guys must be looking at different firearms than I, because I found that Badger has really fair prices and Shooter's is a waste of time. The range is way better at Badger as well.
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No idea, as I haven't been there in quite some time. I just got turned off from the place when I first went there. Plus, now I live in Madison.

In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing this pass. We'll see what happens Tuesday.
 
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Hell, even Lena Taylor voted for it!
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Well, she was one of the democratic senators that received numerous threats of bodily harm during the budget repair bill fiasco. Maybe it got her thinking.

"The Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation opened cases into six specific incidents, threatening Democratic senators and Walker. One incident involved a threat from a Virginia man to "take a gun" to the heads of Sens. Julie Lassa of Stevens Point and Lena Taylor of Milwaukee."

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http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...dismissed-by-police-1377443.php#ixzz1PpL4N0Jn

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P.S.: I also agree with avoiding badger. Had more loaded guns pointed at me there than everywhere else I've ever been combined. Also, the people running it seem a little off.
 
Reading through the bill, it looks like as long as you had to submit to a background check to get a CCW, it'll be valid in Wisconsin once they get around to publishing a list (as long as you're not a Wisconsin resident). We'll see what the Assembly does with it.
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They should have allowed Wisconsin residents to carry if they are already cleared in other states.

Sad, Wisconsin Republicans and Democrats were more worried about making money than allowing their own citizens to exercize their rights in their home states.

Under this bill, non citizens of Wisconsin will be able to carry guns in Wisconsin months before its own citizens will be able to do so. I hope that, if a Wisconsin resident finds themselve in need, an out of state visitor will be there to save them!

In theory, constitutional carry is the ideal situation. But I'm quite aware that there are plenty of people that can't operate a car, -- a 2-ton vehicle -- without endangering others and breaking the law everywhere they go. (Turn signals, anyone..? Look before changing lanes? Tailgating? Texting while driving?) I'm glad there are some educational requirements on concealed carry. If you're going to be carrying a weapon around in public, I'd appreciate if you knew how to use it safely BEFOREHAND.
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And how do drivers licenses and training work, as far as making sure that drivers know what they are doing?

Training and permits will do NOTHING to ensure that people understand how to use a gun safely. You can't fix ignorance and stupidity by making people sit in a chair for a few hours and pay a fee.

Its too late now, too many who think like this in Wisconsin...

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At least they removed the stupid "no loaded guns in vehicles" law, which should go into effect immediately (that's how repeals work right) so WI residents who choose to open carry can now leave their piece strapped in the holster while in their car, instead of having to unload and case when they get into a vehicle.

This also allows people who don't want to get the permit to defend themselves and their families while travelling.
 
Been keeping my eye on this ever since I moved away from WI (to Alaska no less) and I'm very happy to see this is lookin' like its going to happen. Be nice when I move back there in a few years.
 
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