Wisconsin: Right-to-Carry bill

[CmpsdNoMore]

Does anyone know where you can find the actual bill to read? I can't find it on the assembly's website.

Also, I'm not looking forward to the 1000' ft. rule still being in effect because in my city there are a quite a few school right next to major roads. It will make things very difficult!

 

[Scimmia]

Does anyone know where you can find the actual bill to read? I can't find it on the assembly's website.

Also, I'm not looking forward to the 1000' ft. rule still being in effect because in my city there are a quite a few school right next to major roads. It will make things very difficult!

There is no 1000' rule. The new law bans carrying on school ground, but not in school zones.

The entire bill as enrolled is here: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/enrolled/sb93

 

[MrSpiffy]

From what I've heard, the 1000' rule does not apply to CCW. You cannot carry on school grounds, but that's as far as the limit goes. Anyone have any written confirmation?

 

[CmpsdNoMore]

While section (16) doesn't list school areas as a "prohibited activity" to carry, section 91 seems to indicate you can't carry within 1000' of a school.

Section 91. 948.605 (2) (a) of the statutes is amended to read:
948.605 (2) (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone in or on the grounds of a school is guilty of a Class I felony. Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is within 1,000 feet of the grounds of a school is subject to a Class B forfeiture.

 

[Scimmia]

CmpsdNoMore, you have to read the rest of the modifications to 948.605, Section 94 exempts licensees and out-of-state licensees, ie ccw permit holders.

 

[Sam1911]

There is no 1000' rule. The new law bans carrying on school ground, but not in school zones.

The 1000' rule comes from the federal guns free school zone act.

Some state's carry permits meet the criteria to trump that federal law, if the state chooses to allow carry in/near/on school grounds.

However, that allowance is ONLY for residents of that state. If you are visiting another state, federal law prohibits you from carrying in/on school grounds, regardless of what that state's laws say or what it is permissible for that state's residents to do.

 

[Scimmia]

Hmm, I hadn't looked at the GFSZA for a while, I missed that it only exempted permit holders of that state. The Wisconsin law specifically permits out-of-state licensees to carry in school zones, so I was going with that.

Sorry for the misinformation.

 

[Sam1911]

Here is the ATF letter on it: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Batfe2002letter_gfsza1995_ccw.pdf

"The law clearly provides that in order to qualify as an exception to the general prohibitions of the Gun-Free School Zones Act, the license must be issued by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of that State. A concealed weapons license or permit from any otper State would not satisfy the criteria set forth in the law."

 

[Hillbillyz]

So what happens if you live across the street from a school? Are you allowed to carry because you are on our own property, or are you banned from carrying in your own home due to being closer than 1000 feet?

 

[Scimmia]

There is no 1000 foot rule for residents of WI. The only 1000 ft rule that applies would be federal law for non-residents carrying in WI, but that doesn't apply to private property anyway.

 

[Sam1911]

There is no 1000 foot rule for residents of WI.

Actually, that's not exactly true. The 1000' rule DOES apply to all residents of the state who haven't been issued a qualifying permit, or meet one of the other criteria.

IF you're a permit holder, and IF your state's permit qualifies to exempt you, THEN the 1000' rule doesn't apply.

The only 1000 ft rule that applies would be federal law for non-residents carrying in WI, but that doesn't apply to private property anyway.

Private property?

 

[Scimmia]

Hillbillyz was asking about carrying on his own property across the street from a school. The Gun Free School Zone Act states:

(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

Actually, that's not exactly true. The 1000' rule DOES apply to all residents of the state who haven't been issued a qualifying permit, or meet one of the other criteria.

IF you're a permit holder, and IF your state's permit qualifies to exempt you, THEN the 1000' rule doesn't apply.

Correct. Since this thread is about the new concealed carry law, I made the assumption we're talking about carry with a carry permit.

 

[Sam1911]

Gotcha!

 

[Ryanxia]

Apparently handgun safety classes are already filling up.

 

[RatDrall]

Apparently handgun safety classes are already filling up.

Why anyone would wait until now to enroll is beyond me...

 

[tmknecht]

Hunter Safety is one of the qualified training courses. The Super Safe all-knowing trainers don't want you to know that though.$$$

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Why anyone would wait until now to enroll is beyond me...

Maybe because they weren't sure the law was going to pass?

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[MrSpiffy]

usmarine0352_2005, I believe he meant that people should take safety courses, regardless of the law passing or not, so they can be safe when handling their handguns.

 

[RatDrall]

I believe he meant that people should take safety courses, regardless of the law passing or not, so they can be safe when handling their handguns.

I meant that you can get a permit in a free state, like Utah or Florida, and use it when you travel, or make things easier on yourself once WI's law goes into effect.