Wolf ammo for handgun training course
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Harold Mayo
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Thousands of rounds of Wolf through a hi-power over the past couple of years with no malfunctions, no broken extractors, no worn extractors (checked vs. another extractor with calipers), no really excessive crud build-up, no lacquer burning off in the chamber and making the gun misfeed or have extraction problems, and as much accuracy as I'm capable of and as is needed. My biggest complaint about Wolf ammo is that it stinks and your hands smell like it after loading just one magazine.
Harold, there you go again letting facts and actual experience enter into a conversation on The High Road. How dare you actually take calipers and measure your extractor for wear.
From now on, just be a good boy and repeat things you have read but never actually tried. Use phrases like "Commie ammo for commie guns" because it sounds clever and we all know that those commies have those "special" parts so that they work with that ammo.
From now on, just be a good boy and repeat things you have read but never actually tried. Use phrases like "Commie ammo for commie guns" because it sounds clever and we all know that those commies have those "special" parts so that they work with that ammo.
Harold Mayo
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Sorry. I got so paranoid after hearing all of the talk on this and other forums that I had to do SOMETHING about it. I actually also ordered one of the new-fangled C&S hardened extractors for my hi-power and fitted it to it to use in the eventuality that the factory one broke. THEN I took the calipers and measured and found that there was NO difference between the hardened one, the factory one, and the factory one on a Practical model that I picked up.
mdsteele
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I called Bushmaster, Magnum Research and Glock about steel cased ammo.
Their responses,
Bushmaster,
"Yea, shoot all of it you want, just have an extra extractor handy".
Magnum Research,
"No".
Glock,
"No, it is not recommended".
Their responses,
Bushmaster,
"Yea, shoot all of it you want, just have an extra extractor handy".
Magnum Research,
"No".
Glock,
"No, it is not recommended".
Phone call: Absolute fact. No question.
Statements on internet gun forums that mention nothing about personal experience using the product in question: Definitely something to base a decision on. Wihtout a doubt, something I would freely repeat as fact in the future.
Account of first hand experience of having fired 8000+ rounds of Wolf ammo through a Bushmaster AR15 without any problem what ever: not even worthy of comment. Something to just skip over because it doesn't fit our model of the world.
Typical of on-line gun boards.
Statements on internet gun forums that mention nothing about personal experience using the product in question: Definitely something to base a decision on. Wihtout a doubt, something I would freely repeat as fact in the future.
Account of first hand experience of having fired 8000+ rounds of Wolf ammo through a Bushmaster AR15 without any problem what ever: not even worthy of comment. Something to just skip over because it doesn't fit our model of the world.
Typical of on-line gun boards.
mdsteele
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Don't flame the messenger pal, just repeating what the MANUFACTURERS have told me.
You need to get ahold of Bushmaster and tell them of your experience.
I haven't shot enough of it to have much input. After reading these kinds of threads, I decided to get it from the source.
Edited: for common courtesy.
You need to get ahold of Bushmaster and tell them of your experience.
I haven't shot enough of it to have much input. After reading these kinds of threads, I decided to get it from the source.
Edited: for common courtesy.
mdsteele
That wasn't a flame, but instead an observation. This topic has been discussed an almost infinite number of times and I see the same thing every time. Using this thread as an example we had six people respond that had actually used the ammo in their guns and had no problems with it at all. We had two people who had used the ammo in their guns and had problems but both state that in other guns they own it runs great. Then we have five people who don't mention having actually used the ammo but give advice based on what someone else told them.
In every one of these threads I have read, I have read that Wolf ammo causes abnormal wear of the extractor and possibly breakage of the extractor. Yet I don't ever recall reading where anyone actually had this happen to them. It is always something someone else told them.
When asked to explain why this is reported to happen to some people yet not to others, the thread dies.
That wasn't a flame, but instead an observation. This topic has been discussed an almost infinite number of times and I see the same thing every time. Using this thread as an example we had six people respond that had actually used the ammo in their guns and had no problems with it at all. We had two people who had used the ammo in their guns and had problems but both state that in other guns they own it runs great. Then we have five people who don't mention having actually used the ammo but give advice based on what someone else told them.
In every one of these threads I have read, I have read that Wolf ammo causes abnormal wear of the extractor and possibly breakage of the extractor. Yet I don't ever recall reading where anyone actually had this happen to them. It is always something someone else told them.
When asked to explain why this is reported to happen to some people yet not to others, the thread dies.
mdsteele
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Good point(s).
Like I said, I have little experience with wolf ammo. I may have put 4 or 500 rounds downrange with it in 9mm. I had no problems with it. I was just relaying what the manufacturers have told me.(via the phone)
I read some of these types of threads and decided to call the makers and get their input.
All that would have affected me said don't use it.
Seems like you and a few others have done a heck of a lot more homework than I on this subject.
But for me, I will only use the steel cased stuff in " commie guns"
Like I said, I have little experience with wolf ammo. I may have put 4 or 500 rounds downrange with it in 9mm. I had no problems with it. I was just relaying what the manufacturers have told me.(via the phone)
I read some of these types of threads and decided to call the makers and get their input.
All that would have affected me said don't use it.
Seems like you and a few others have done a heck of a lot more homework than I on this subject.
But for me, I will only use the steel cased stuff in " commie guns"
I appreciate you looking into the matter. I would much rather have someone call the gun manufacturer than rely on something they read on the internet from someone they don't even know.
I haven't really done any homework; let me bore you with my story.
I bought an AR and the only factory ammo the store had was Wolf. I live in a small town that only had one gun store at the time and the next closest was about 70 miles away. I really wanted to shoot my new AR but was worried because I had read bad stuff about Wolf ammo on the internet. I decided to buy a couple boxes and make the best of it. I went out and became involved in shooting the rifle and completely forgot about the ammo issue. It ran fine, I zeroed the sights etc. Way too soon I was out of ammo. Only then did I remember I was shooting this bad stuff. I thought, what the heck and bought some more. Same result. I asked my dealer about special ordering me some other ammo and the next closest in price was PMC which was about 50% more than Wolf. I reasoned that I hadn't had any problems with Wolf, so what the heck ? I had him order me a case of Wolf. Since then I have had him order me 9-10 cases of Wolf. I have never had a malfunction, never had "lacquer" in my chamber, never had any duds and the accuracy was plenty good enough for me. I fired most of it out of the same carbine although by now I own a number of ARs. In that carbine that shot 90% of the ammo I can dectect no abnormal wear of any kind.
I get myself in trouble on all these threads because what I read doesn't jibe with my own personal experience. Now there are a lot of people with a lot more experience than me. There are a lot of people that shoot more than me. But, I wouldn't call 8000 rounds a real small insignificant test. Naturally when I read these horror stories I have to ask myself why none of this has happened to me. Am I blessed ? Am I lucky ? Do I have a superior firearm ? I have no idea.
I haven't really done any homework; let me bore you with my story.
I bought an AR and the only factory ammo the store had was Wolf. I live in a small town that only had one gun store at the time and the next closest was about 70 miles away. I really wanted to shoot my new AR but was worried because I had read bad stuff about Wolf ammo on the internet. I decided to buy a couple boxes and make the best of it. I went out and became involved in shooting the rifle and completely forgot about the ammo issue. It ran fine, I zeroed the sights etc. Way too soon I was out of ammo. Only then did I remember I was shooting this bad stuff. I thought, what the heck and bought some more. Same result. I asked my dealer about special ordering me some other ammo and the next closest in price was PMC which was about 50% more than Wolf. I reasoned that I hadn't had any problems with Wolf, so what the heck ? I had him order me a case of Wolf. Since then I have had him order me 9-10 cases of Wolf. I have never had a malfunction, never had "lacquer" in my chamber, never had any duds and the accuracy was plenty good enough for me. I fired most of it out of the same carbine although by now I own a number of ARs. In that carbine that shot 90% of the ammo I can dectect no abnormal wear of any kind.
I get myself in trouble on all these threads because what I read doesn't jibe with my own personal experience. Now there are a lot of people with a lot more experience than me. There are a lot of people that shoot more than me. But, I wouldn't call 8000 rounds a real small insignificant test. Naturally when I read these horror stories I have to ask myself why none of this has happened to me. Am I blessed ? Am I lucky ? Do I have a superior firearm ? I have no idea.
I put well over 1000 rounds through my Bushmaster without cleaning it, with no malfunctions.
I called Ruger once, to ask about shooting it in my 9mm P95 DC.
I think the answer from the lady in Tech. Support was something like "You can't use it! It's machine gun ammo!"
So, I never shot it in the P95.
I've never asked Ruger about shooting it in my Min14s.
Over 3 Mini14s, over several years, I've gone through a few thousand rounds. Again, no problems.
I called Ruger once, to ask about shooting it in my 9mm P95 DC.
I think the answer from the lady in Tech. Support was something like "You can't use it! It's machine gun ammo!"
So, I never shot it in the P95.
I've never asked Ruger about shooting it in my Min14s.
Over 3 Mini14s, over several years, I've gone through a few thousand rounds. Again, no problems.
a random jerk
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I have fired quite a bit of Wolf and Blazer ammo from my P89 (yes, I am a cheapskate). Never had any problems whatsoever. One of the shooting ranges I frequent has a "NO BLAZER" sign, and the guy who runs the place claims he's seen the casing foul up in too many extractors. My personal opinion is that he just wants people to buy the Fiocchi he has behind the counter.
Still, I keep brass under my pillow.
Still, I keep brass under my pillow.
That is one point that I think confuses some people I have talked to. For my personal use I advocate using Wolf ammo for training purposes when I am shooting steel and silhouettes. At times I got through a lot of ammo and when it works fine in my guns I appreciate the economy of it.
However, I wouldn't use Wolf ammo for defensive purposes. I don't use Wolf for competition (although I would without batting an eye), I don't hunt with Wolf ammo and I don't use Wolf ammo in formal training classes. I simply use Wolf ammo for my personal training which consists of trying to be as fast as I can while maintaining center of mass hits.
However, I wouldn't use Wolf ammo for defensive purposes. I don't use Wolf for competition (although I would without batting an eye), I don't hunt with Wolf ammo and I don't use Wolf ammo in formal training classes. I simply use Wolf ammo for my personal training which consists of trying to be as fast as I can while maintaining center of mass hits.
Gary G23
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Up until this year I would never buy any commie ammo due to stuff I read on the internet. However, when I realized that it would make more sense to give the stuff a try and make up my own mind I have found that I love commie ammo. I have fired thousands of rounds and now have over 10000 rounds stockpiled.
Chuck Jennings
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So, I thought I would give the Wolf ammo a try in my SA GI Mil-Spec. I figured it coudn't be that damaging, as I remember my Grandpa mentioning being issued steelcased ammo when he carried a 1911A1 as an MP during WWII.
I went to the range yesterday. I shot 100 rounds of Miwall reloads, followed by 100 rounds of WWB value Pack, followed by 100 rounds of Wolf. There was only one FTF with the WWB (Which I believe was magazine related). By far, my best groups were with the Wolf. Boy was I surprised, as were my colleagues at the range. This improvement in accuracy may be because I was more warmed up by the 3rd box of ammo. However, the Wolf was very reliable at this session, despite be fired in a very dirty (by the time I got to the last couple mags) gun!
The Range officer, who has been a range officer for more than 10yrs, said, tha he never understood why people have such an aversion to the stuff, b/c he has not ever seen a single gun damaged by Wolf ammo.
The only thing he hates about Wolf is sorting the cases from the brass ones.
I am in the process of starting to reload for 45acp, so I will not be using Wolf a lot. But I will definitely have some on hand for when I don't want to take the time to reload and just want to run out to the range.
I went to the range yesterday. I shot 100 rounds of Miwall reloads, followed by 100 rounds of WWB value Pack, followed by 100 rounds of Wolf. There was only one FTF with the WWB (Which I believe was magazine related). By far, my best groups were with the Wolf. Boy was I surprised, as were my colleagues at the range. This improvement in accuracy may be because I was more warmed up by the 3rd box of ammo. However, the Wolf was very reliable at this session, despite be fired in a very dirty (by the time I got to the last couple mags) gun!
The Range officer, who has been a range officer for more than 10yrs, said, tha he never understood why people have such an aversion to the stuff, b/c he has not ever seen a single gun damaged by Wolf ammo.
The only thing he hates about Wolf is sorting the cases from the brass ones.
I am in the process of starting to reload for 45acp, so I will not be using Wolf a lot. But I will definitely have some on hand for when I don't want to take the time to reload and just want to run out to the range.
There is an article in the April 2004 issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine where they tested Wolf ammo. They fired "about" 1500 rounds of Wolf in various calibers in various weapons:
9mm in a variety of auto pistols as well as a Colt 9mm SMG and an HK MP5 SMG
.40 S&W in S&W, Glock, and Springfield XD pistols
.45 ACP in a couple 1911 pistols and a 1928 Thompson SMG
.223 in several M16 Variants, an AR18 and an M249 SAW
7.62 x 39 in an AK-47 and an RPD LMG.
The M4s and the Colt 9mm SMG were suppressed.
The only problems they had were in the 1928 Thompson. The ammo didn't have enough power to push the bolt all the way to the rear causing a run away gun.
This was presumably the "old" Wolf ammo with the laquer because in the last paragraph they mention that Wolf came out with a new ammo with a polymer coating.
9mm in a variety of auto pistols as well as a Colt 9mm SMG and an HK MP5 SMG
.40 S&W in S&W, Glock, and Springfield XD pistols
.45 ACP in a couple 1911 pistols and a 1928 Thompson SMG
.223 in several M16 Variants, an AR18 and an M249 SAW
7.62 x 39 in an AK-47 and an RPD LMG.
The M4s and the Colt 9mm SMG were suppressed.
The only problems they had were in the 1928 Thompson. The ammo didn't have enough power to push the bolt all the way to the rear causing a run away gun.
This was presumably the "old" Wolf ammo with the laquer because in the last paragraph they mention that Wolf came out with a new ammo with a polymer coating.
BluesBear
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Well, having shot my remaining Wolf last week, while I was at the Puyallup gunshow yesterday, I stopped by the tables of my favorite ammo guys.
Last show he had Blazer Aluminum for $7.50 a box so I thought I'd stock up on some more.
This time he was out of Blazer but he had Wolf .45 for $6.00 per box of 50.
SIX DOLLARS!?!
So I bought a case of 500 and got an additional 10% off. That's tax included!
Went shooting today. I still have a few blue shock buffers laying around. So I threw one in my Colt. Another 200 rounds of Wolf fired with no malfunctions of any kind.
Five 8 round mags and three 7 rounders. That's seven differentbrands and types of magazines. That's 62 rounds rapid fire. I reloaded them as fast as I could then fired another 62. Gun was WARM. No melted lacquer. No sticking cases. Minute of soda can accuracy at 15-20 yards.
Cleaning takes me no longer than with Wally World Winchester and I'm getting used to the smell.
I knew I should have bought two cases.
Last show he had Blazer Aluminum for $7.50 a box so I thought I'd stock up on some more.
This time he was out of Blazer but he had Wolf .45 for $6.00 per box of 50.
SIX DOLLARS!?! So I bought a case of 500 and got an additional 10% off. That's tax included!Went shooting today. I still have a few blue shock buffers laying around. So I threw one in my Colt. Another 200 rounds of Wolf fired with no malfunctions of any kind.
Five 8 round mags and three 7 rounders. That's seven differentbrands and types of magazines. That's 62 rounds rapid fire. I reloaded them as fast as I could then fired another 62. Gun was WARM. No melted lacquer. No sticking cases. Minute of soda can accuracy at 15-20 yards.
Cleaning takes me no longer than with Wally World Winchester and I'm getting used to the smell.
I knew I should have bought two cases.
Hmm, I am going to have to try Wolf. I admit that my reluctance has always been based on what I have "heard" and not wanting to take a chance. Most of the time, I have been able to get S & B, Blazer, or UMC for the same price as Wolf. Anyway, thanks for the range reports.
I must admit that I am sort of suprised to hear that you guys are using Wolf ammo in your handguns with no problems.
I have never had the stomach to try the stuff, what with all the stuff I have "heard" and WWB going for $11 at walmart. I get good ammo and reloadable brass too so what's not to like?
I can see the point about the RO who only allows Wolf in the SKS and AK. While they weren't really made for only steel cased ammo, I would conclude that the somewhat loose tolerances in those guns are more forgiving of spotty quality control on the ammo and that is why he allows it to be used in those guns.
Anyhow, I might have to try the stuff myself.
I would suggest though that you look into trying S&B if you want some pretty good cheap shooting ammo. I have used quite a bit of it and never had a problem. The cases are kind of finicky when it comes to reloading so I won't try that again, but it has worked well in every handgun that I tried it in as plinking ammo.
Just my .02.
I have never had the stomach to try the stuff, what with all the stuff I have "heard" and WWB going for $11 at walmart. I get good ammo and reloadable brass too so what's not to like?
I can see the point about the RO who only allows Wolf in the SKS and AK. While they weren't really made for only steel cased ammo, I would conclude that the somewhat loose tolerances in those guns are more forgiving of spotty quality control on the ammo and that is why he allows it to be used in those guns.
Anyhow, I might have to try the stuff myself.
I would suggest though that you look into trying S&B if you want some pretty good cheap shooting ammo. I have used quite a bit of it and never had a problem. The cases are kind of finicky when it comes to reloading so I won't try that again, but it has worked well in every handgun that I tried it in as plinking ammo.
Just my .02.
BluesBear
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.45 ammo prices
I agree that Sellier & Bellot is good ammo. But it's $10-12 a box around here. WWB is 19.95/100 at WallyMart
At the recent gun shows I have found found;
PMC for $10.00
Armscor for $8.00
Blazer Aluminum for $7.75
Wolf for $6.00
Now I ain't Einstein but, six bucks a box (say that 10 times really fast) is a dang good price. (especially since I got another 10% off for buying 10 boxes)
I agree that Sellier & Bellot is good ammo. But it's $10-12 a box around here. WWB is 19.95/100 at WallyMart
At the recent gun shows I have found found;
PMC for $10.00
Armscor for $8.00
Blazer Aluminum for $7.75
Wolf for $6.00
Now I ain't Einstein but, six bucks a box (say that 10 times really fast) is a dang good price. (especially since I got another 10% off for buying 10 boxes)
Something I brought up in last weeks Wolf ammo thread:
Most people on this board like to brag that their faviorite weapon is totally reliable. They post that they have never had a malfunction. They post that Joe Blow buried his, burnt his, sent it on a rocket ship to the sun or whatever and it still ran flawlessly.
Yet in our frequent Wolf ammo threads we read things like: Oh, I wouldn't let that ammo near my gun, it is dirty. I wouldn't subject my blaster to those steel cases.............................. etc.
Ok, which is it ? Is your gun the bad a$$ piece of combat gear you say it is, or is it a pampered range queen that couldn't possibly shoot with just any ammo ? So much for the crap about taking ammo off the enemy, you don't really know where that ammo has been. Is your bullet hose so pampered that it can't even shoot ammo that "smells bad " (*** ) Maybe there is a future in companies taking advantage of modern man's sensitive nature and come out with various fragrances in powder so it doesn't clash with the air freshener in your SUV that would offend the crowd at the coffee bar.
Most people on this board like to brag that their faviorite weapon is totally reliable. They post that they have never had a malfunction. They post that Joe Blow buried his, burnt his, sent it on a rocket ship to the sun or whatever and it still ran flawlessly.
Yet in our frequent Wolf ammo threads we read things like: Oh, I wouldn't let that ammo near my gun, it is dirty. I wouldn't subject my blaster to those steel cases.............................. etc.
Ok, which is it ? Is your gun the bad a$$ piece of combat gear you say it is, or is it a pampered range queen that couldn't possibly shoot with just any ammo ? So much for the crap about taking ammo off the enemy, you don't really know where that ammo has been. Is your bullet hose so pampered that it can't even shoot ammo that "smells bad " (***
) Maybe there is a future in companies taking advantage of modern man's sensitive nature and come out with various fragrances in powder so it doesn't clash with the air freshener in your SUV that would offend the crowd at the coffee bar.
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BluesBear
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Well I for one refuse to use American Ammo (AMERC). I base this on my own personal experiences of seeing it and handling it in the store. I equate it right up there with Jim-Bob Doofus' Homebrewed Surefire Extra Special Reliable Reloads. 
Any time I can push 4 bullets from a single box down inside the case I won't trust it.
Anytime I can take and TURN several bullets in their cases with my fingers. (except for .22rf) I won't buy it.
I was taking all of the comments about AMERC ammo with a grain of salt because I wondered how it could be so bad yet still be on the market.
I am still wondering.
As for buying ammo based on smell? To me that's silly. I use Wolf. I like it. As for the smell? It's not really that bad.
I used to have a Lightweight Commander that was less than 100% with it.
But then it was only 99.99% with any ammo. Which is why when someone, at the range with me one day, offered me way too much money for it. I sold it.
I already had the Government I carry now. It IS truely remarkable in it's reliability. It's almost boring to test new ammo in it. I am running out of new ammo to test.
This gun out of the box was 100%. I have changed a few things for comfort and "cosmetics". The only problem I ever had with it was when I installed a slightly used Wilson mainspring housing. The installed mainsporing would give me 1 or 2 light strikes in every magazine. After putting the stock Colt mainspring in the Wilson housing everything is good.
When I first test ammo I fire at least 70 rounds from 8 magazines. Almost all are different.
Mec-Gar 8 round nickled with the finger floorplate. This mag is slightly longer that a flush 8 rounder.
Mec-Gar flush floorplate 8 round blued
Mec-Gar flush floorplate 8 round nickled
Colt Factory 8 round blued
Mitchell 8 round stainless
Metalform 7 round stainless with rounded follower stamped MARLIN CAL .45 AUTO
High Standard 7 round blued with the stock dimpled follower
High Standard 7 round blued with a Pachmayr rounded follower.
I start with a round in the chamber and all mags fully loaded.
I fire 4 rounds and change magazines. This shows me how everything feeds under maximun spring pressure. The last mag is fired until slide lock. Then the rest are fired to slide lock. This confirms feeding at lighter tension and assures slide lock.
So far I have kept a log of everything fired in this gun. I am slightly past 6,000 rounds fired without a single problem since the initial light strikes which all occured between shots 200 and 300. I have never had a failure to feed or extract/eject.
The top 7 most fired ammo in this gun is;
Wolf
CCI Blazer aluminum
Sellier & Bellot
Miwall lead reloads
Winchester USA (white box)
Armscor
PMC
Add to this at least 150 rounds each of
Remington Golden Sabre JHP
Speer Gold Dots JHP
Federal Hydra Shock JHP (230 gr) I did shoot 40 165 just because even though I don't like it)
Speer Blazer with the 200 gr flying ashtray
Magtech JHP
Remington 185gr JHP
Winchester Silvertip
As you can see I'll try almost anything.
Any time I can push 4 bullets from a single box down inside the case I won't trust it.
Anytime I can take and TURN several bullets in their cases with my fingers. (except for .22rf) I won't buy it.
I was taking all of the comments about AMERC ammo with a grain of salt because I wondered how it could be so bad yet still be on the market.
I am still wondering.
As for buying ammo based on smell? To me that's silly. I use Wolf. I like it. As for the smell? It's not really that bad.
I used to have a Lightweight Commander that was less than 100% with it.
But then it was only 99.99% with any ammo. Which is why when someone, at the range with me one day, offered me way too much money for it. I sold it.
I already had the Government I carry now. It IS truely remarkable in it's reliability. It's almost boring to test new ammo in it. I am running out of new ammo to test.
This gun out of the box was 100%. I have changed a few things for comfort and "cosmetics". The only problem I ever had with it was when I installed a slightly used Wilson mainspring housing. The installed mainsporing would give me 1 or 2 light strikes in every magazine. After putting the stock Colt mainspring in the Wilson housing everything is good.
When I first test ammo I fire at least 70 rounds from 8 magazines. Almost all are different.
Mec-Gar 8 round nickled with the finger floorplate. This mag is slightly longer that a flush 8 rounder.
Mec-Gar flush floorplate 8 round blued
Mec-Gar flush floorplate 8 round nickled
Colt Factory 8 round blued
Mitchell 8 round stainless
Metalform 7 round stainless with rounded follower stamped MARLIN CAL .45 AUTO
High Standard 7 round blued with the stock dimpled follower
High Standard 7 round blued with a Pachmayr rounded follower.
I start with a round in the chamber and all mags fully loaded.
I fire 4 rounds and change magazines. This shows me how everything feeds under maximun spring pressure. The last mag is fired until slide lock. Then the rest are fired to slide lock. This confirms feeding at lighter tension and assures slide lock.
So far I have kept a log of everything fired in this gun. I am slightly past 6,000 rounds fired without a single problem since the initial light strikes which all occured between shots 200 and 300. I have never had a failure to feed or extract/eject.
The top 7 most fired ammo in this gun is;
Wolf
CCI Blazer aluminum
Sellier & Bellot
Miwall lead reloads
Winchester USA (white box)
Armscor
PMC
Add to this at least 150 rounds each of
Remington Golden Sabre JHP
Speer Gold Dots JHP
Federal Hydra Shock JHP (230 gr) I did shoot 40 165 just because even though I don't like it)
Speer Blazer with the 200 gr flying ashtray
Magtech JHP
Remington 185gr JHP
Winchester Silvertip
As you can see I'll try almost anything.
Can't comment on the .45 but I just bought my 8th 1000 rnd case of the 9mm. I have never had any problem w/ the old lacquered ammo but this is my first case of the new stuff.I have found the Wolf to be much easier to clean than Win white box which leaves a dark stain that is very difficult to remove. Good luck
A little off topic, but related to Wolf ammo.
I shot in my first machine gun match today. We have read for years on the internet about how Wolf ammo leaves a laquer deposit on the chamber, it is hard on AR15 extractors, is unreliable ......................................... I noticed that one guy at this match was shooting a very short M16 and was using a Beta drum magazine which I belive holds 100 rounds. He was using Wolf ammo. Obviously he thought it worked well enough to complete in a match with it on full auto. And of course it ran flawlessly. He shot the fastest time for the machine gun portion of the match.
I shot in my first machine gun match today. We have read for years on the internet about how Wolf ammo leaves a laquer deposit on the chamber, it is hard on AR15 extractors, is unreliable ......................................... I noticed that one guy at this match was shooting a very short M16 and was using a Beta drum magazine which I belive holds 100 rounds. He was using Wolf ammo. Obviously he thought it worked well enough to complete in a match with it on full auto. And of course it ran flawlessly. He shot the fastest time for the machine gun portion of the match.
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