Wolf LP primers hard to seat

[Hey_Allen]

I was working on a faulty ignition problem (which eventually turned out to be a headspace issue) and tried a number of primers, both in my LnL AP and a Lee hand priming tool.

The Wolf SP primers were stiffer to seat, but would seat none the less.

 

[JimKirk]

Anybody know if Wolf small rifle primers are larger than other SRP, anybody taken measurements lately?

Jimmy K

 

[helg]

Wolf SP and LP have been found to be the same size as other brands. See here.

Wolf primer manufacturer claims that their SR primers have the same diameter as the SP.

http://www.flame.murom.ru/en/Htmls/primers.htm

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

all I can add is that I use the Lee hand prime and the Wolf (sp and lp) primers I've loaded do seem a little snug compared to CCI and Win. Fed's seem snug compared to those also. I'd rather that than loose.
all shooting of them has been fine.

 

[cmgred]

I've just bought 4000 and a least the first 600 have seated fine, about the same as Winchester on Dillon 550.

I's seen posts on another forum (may have been Brian Enos, but I could be wrong), folks we're having issues with Wolf spp. One of them contacted Wolf and after checking out the lot #, Wolf made good on them.

Anyways, it may be worth a phone call, poster said their customer service was great.

Good luck, I had a bad batch of another manufactures primers and they refused to stand behind their product, even when they admitted the primers were out of spec. I don't buy any primers with 3 letter names after that.

 

[broham]

I haven't had a problem yet on my Lee turret. They are cheap, go bang every time and in stock 99.9% of the time.

 

[Exposure]

I just came up from my loading bench and did 300 45 ACP with Wolf LP and had no seating trouble at all.

I have been VERY happy with Wolf primers. I think they are great.

 

[ole farmerbuck]

Anybody know if Wolf small rifle primers are larger than other SRP, anybody taken measurements lately?

Jimmy K

Oh yea, i was suppose to do that! Umm.......well.....i forgot.

 

[Randy1911]

I have no more use for Wolf LP primers. My shoulders hurt after loading just 100 of them. I had no problems with the SP primers. I will never buy another LP though. I have noticed that my dealer no longer sells the large primers. He does still sell the small primers. He said he had too many complaints about the large.

 

[Rmeju]

I had a problem with my LP primers in Wolf, with the exact same issue on my Hornady LnL. BUT, I was able to get on the phone with the guys at Hornady, and they showed me how to dial in my shellplate to dead center. My problems have largely gone away now. I still get the odd one that doesn't quite seat all the way, but none so bad that they hang the press up.

If anyone wants to know, what they told me to do, PM me.

RmeJu

 

[JimKirk]

Reason I asked about the Wolf SR is I got a bucket full of .223 FC that the pockets are loose in, not real bad loose, but bad enough that I don't load any like that any more. If the Wolf SR was larger, they would have given me a few more loads out of those cases. I think I'll just carry them to the scrap yard. I don't want blown primers in my AR.
Thank for the info guys, Wolf are not to be found around here, but I have found other brands lately.

Jimmy K

 

[dagger dog]

I too found the LP Wolf hard to seat loading .45 Colt nickel plated Remington brass, using the Lee hand (thumb) primer tool, but this eased up the second time around. I thought it was the plating causing the "problem".

 

[ole farmerbuck]

Here is my primer measurements. Did the best i could.

CCI BR4 .174.5
Wolf SRM .174.5
CCI SR .174
Fed LR Match .210.5
Win LP .210.5
CCIBR2 LR .211
win LR .210
Win LRM .210
CCI#41 .174
Wolf SR .174.5
CCI SP .174
Wolf SP .174
CCI SPM .174
Fed SPM .174
Wolf LR .210
Wolf LP I think the only primer i dont have!
Wolf SR .223....back to wolf manufacturing!

 

[LiveLife]

Wolf LP I think the only primer i don't have!

Wolf LP 0.215" - I got 0.210" for Winchester LP

PMC SP - 0.175" - I also got 0.175" for Winchester SP

 

[ole farmerbuck]

Thanks bds. I have some rem and mag tech over at the neighbors but i was too lazy to walk 100 yards.

 

[LiveLife]

ole farmerbuck, saved you a walk for Magtech SP: 0.175"

You know, for some reason Magtech primer just "feels" smaller than Winchester SP.


Wait a minute ... OMG!!!

I just took a close look at the different primers I have and guess what?

The Wolf/PMC primers have sharp cup edges and Winchester/Magtech primers have rounded cup edges.

Maybe this might also explain why many people have trouble seating Wolf primers?

 

[ole farmerbuck]

Yep. You just might have a point there.

 

[ole farmerbuck]

I did notice when i picked them up with my calipers, some didnt seem flat on the sides. If you know what i mean. it was prob that sharp edge you're talking about.

 

[JimKirk]

Thanks for measuring !!

Looks like there is basically no difference. I'm using CCI BR SR now, all they had at the LGS. I had enough LP, LPM, SP, SPM, LR and LRM bought before the great salesman came to power, but I had zero SR and have looked far and wide before I finally broke down and bought the BR SR.
Looks as if the supply is slowly coming back, gotta get some soon.

Jimmy K

 

[helg]

The picture shows, left to right: Wolf SP, Rem 1 1/2, Win SP and CCI 550(magnum) primers.

1. I do see that the Wolf has thicker cup than Rem and Win. The cup is still thinner than CCI magnum.

2. I do not see that edges on the Wolf are any sharper than on others. Close look reveals even opposite: surface on the Wolfs is even smoother than on the others.

 

[LiveLife]

I do not see that edges on the Wolf are any sharper than on others. Close look reveals even opposite: surface on the Wolfs is even smoother than on the others.

FYI, my comparisons were made on Wolf LP/PMC SP (sharp edge) vs Winchester (brass cup) SP/LP and Magtech SP (rounded edge).

 

[helg]

Wolf LP 0.215" - I got 0.210" for Winchester LP

Sum ting wong.
You can not seat the primer that is oversized by .005". Is it .2105" instead of .215"?

 

[LiveLife]

Is it .2105" instead of .215"?

My mistake. It's 0.2105" - Still larger than Winchester 0.2100"

 

[ArchAngelCD]

FWIW, I have both the LEE and RCBS hand primers and the RCBS is a much heavier tool. It will easily seat a tight primer if you need to. I guess that's why the RCBS is twice the price of the Lee product. (but both have their place and I use both)

 

[LiveLife]

FWIW, I have both the LEE and RCBS hand primers and the RCBS is a much heavier tool. It will easily seat a tight primer if you need to. I guess that's why the RCBS is twice the price of the Lee product. (but both have their place and I use both)

Come on now, the OP was why Wolf LP primer was hard to seat, not comparing the Lee vs RCBS. The Wolf LP is harder to seat because it is slightly oversized (0.2105" vs 0.21"). I have no problem seating the larger Wolf LP in my Lee hand primer, just takes more pressure (2 thumbs instead of 1). The need for extra pressure is not because it is Lee.

Besides, I don't see RCBS hand primer for $26 ... $36 and $49 at MidwayUSA - http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Bro...yId=19941&categoryString=9315***731***706***&

FWIW, I deprime/resize separately and I hand prime Wolf LP using Lee Auto Prime with just a bit more pressure (2 thumbs instead of 1) than Winchester.