J_McLeod
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Thinking about buying some Wolf Primers when I get a chance. Does anyone know where I can find some data that cites Wolf primers?
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I have been using Wolf SP and LP exclusively for a year or two. I just use the basic load tables. I never create anything near max loads anyway so to be honest I have not really concerned my self with the brand of brass and primer used in the load table testing.
Howard B
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I have used some recently, more from necessity than desire. I have not noted any reason to change powder charges (I tend to load mid-range), however have encountered ignition problems with my striker fired guns.
mcdonl
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I have used 3000 SP with no problem in 38spl and 9mm....
RustyFN
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First I heard of that. A couple of friends and I have shot at least 25,000 Wolf primers in Glock pistols with no problems.
Rusty,
What kind of trigger work have you done to your Glocks? We are running the 3.5# connector with the Wolff competition spring pack. It lightens the striker fall a bit and other glock shooters that compete in my area have also had problems.
BTW: you have a beautiful state (WV). I just returned from Skiing at Snowshoe. I have been to Pipestem in the summer and rafted the New River. What a wild and beautiful state.
What kind of trigger work have you done to your Glocks? We are running the 3.5# connector with the Wolff competition spring pack. It lightens the striker fall a bit and other glock shooters that compete in my area have also had problems.
BTW: you have a beautiful state (WV). I just returned from Skiing at Snowshoe. I have been to Pipestem in the summer and rafted the New River. What a wild and beautiful state.
mikeone
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I have shot more than 15,000 wolf primers in my Glock17 and 19 and 34 and 26 (STOCK STRIKER SPRINGs) I load hot and the primers work well. The light weight striker spring replacements are the problem or bad loading technique. Some lots may be bad I dunno, but thats the same as any other primer.
LiveLife
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I have shot stock G22s for match shooting and several others shoot G22/G35. We go through a lot of rounds for practice/matches (I shot several hundreds and thousands of rounds through my G22s) and when I/someone experience lighter/light primer strike, I inspect the bottom of striker pin/spring assembly tube (area behind the breech face) for hard packed fouling buildup.
With casual inspection with a flashlight, it is very easy to dismiss the fouling build up as it is hard packed and black (same color as the metal) and people suspect just weakened striker spring. I soak the hole with Hoppes #9 with the striker pin hole plugged 15-30 minutes and repeat as necessary to soften the fouling buildup and scrape with a flat head screwdriver.
Once the fouling buildup is chipped/scraped off and striker pin/spring assembly returned (no lube/oil in the tube please! - keep it dry), the light primer striker problem is usually gone. If the light strike problem persist, I then look at the striker pin/spring assembly for replacement.
With casual inspection with a flashlight, it is very easy to dismiss the fouling build up as it is hard packed and black (same color as the metal) and people suspect just weakened striker spring. I soak the hole with Hoppes #9 with the striker pin hole plugged 15-30 minutes and repeat as necessary to soften the fouling buildup and scrape with a flat head screwdriver.
Once the fouling buildup is chipped/scraped off and striker pin/spring assembly returned (no lube/oil in the tube please! - keep it dry), the light primer striker problem is usually gone. If the light strike problem persist, I then look at the striker pin/spring assembly for replacement.
ArchAngelCD
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Why would you need Wolf Primer specific load data?
wankerjake
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I've only run a couple thousand Wolf primers, both small and large pistol, but they all went bang.
I can't think of a single one either. Weird
J_McLeod
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So far I've only bought Lyman's 49th edition. Will probably buy the ABCs soon too. In their section on primers, they said that the primer can change the load and one should not substitute primers in reloading data because it could change the pressure of the load.
SCBradley
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I had numerous ( 2-3 per 100) dead primers in the 5000 case of Wolf LP primers I bought from Wideners; used in a Glock 36, Kimber, and a Ruger Vaquero.
They seem to work fine for most, but I won't be buying any more.
They seem to work fine for most, but I won't be buying any more.
RustyFN
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Thanks one of these days I would like to make that white water trip myself. As far as our Glocks they are all stock, no mods have been made.
In one application Wolf gave slighter higher velocities, in another slightly lower.
Just load them and shoot.
Just load them and shoot.
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[B]S&W M629-4 Stainless, 5" Barrel 44 Magnum[/B]
240 LSWC Valiant 20.0 grs 2400 thrown, lot 406 Midway cases, Wolf primers
T ≈ 60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09
Ave Vel = 1155
Std Dev = 32
ES = 128.4
High = 1213
Low= 1084
N = 30
240 LSWC Valiant 20.0 grs 2400 thrown, lot 406 Midway cases, WLP nickle
T ≈ 60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09
Ave Vel = 1120
Std Dev = 16.09
ES = 44.49
High = 1148
Low= 1103
N = 11
[B]5 1/2" M625-9 Mountain Gun 4" Barrel 45 LColt[/B]
250 LSWC (.452") 10.5 grs AA#5 lot 12599 mixed cases WLP (nickel)
23-Sep-07 T = 82 °F
Ave Vel = 875.1
Std Dev = 19.36
ES = 62.64
High = 905.7
Low = 843
N = 12
250 LSWC (.452") 10.5 grs AA#5 lot 12599 mixed cases Wolf NCLP
23-Sep-07 T = 82 °F
Ave Vel = 826.2
Std Dev = 20.14
ES = 63.38
High = 862.1
Low = 798.7
N = 12Probably just due to more data. Limited sample sizes can give misleading information about trends.
Two standard deviations are supposed to represent 68% of the area under the curve. Do 12 shots really represent "truth". In fact, does 32 shots?
To bad the Chrony only goes up to 32 shots per string. I much prefer shooting 50 rounds at a time an seeing what the population is doing.
Yep. Small samples are nice indications, but can vary quite a bit due to the limited shots. If you think you have a keeper, a bigger sample is needed to give a good indication of Avg velocity, ES, & SD.
I use small samples most of the time. If it is performing on target consistently, I don't really sweat the numbers.
If you must meet a certain velocity, a bigger sample is needed, or go with a bit more powder/velocity on a small sample for good measure.
"Why would you need Wolf Primer specific load data?"
I would guess the question comes from a beginner reloader who has read all the posts that warn about using load data but changing the components used by the company that did the tests? Reading those concerns and then wanting to use Wolf primers which are not likely to be the primers used to create the test data might cause a newcomer to ask first before blowing themselves up? Not that they would but when I first started out I was SUPER anal about following directions to the letter and the 'n'th degree and the question is perfectly logical to me.
I would guess the question comes from a beginner reloader who has read all the posts that warn about using load data but changing the components used by the company that did the tests? Reading those concerns and then wanting to use Wolf primers which are not likely to be the primers used to create the test data might cause a newcomer to ask first before blowing themselves up? Not that they would but when I first started out I was SUPER anal about following directions to the letter and the 'n'th degree and the question is perfectly logical to me.
medalguy
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Better safe than sorry. Having said that, I can report after loading more than 40,000 Wolf primers in 223, 30-06, 308, 45, 9mm, and 380, that I ran chrono tests on every single caliber and did not find any significant difference in velocity using the same bullet and powder load vs Remington or Winchester primers. Load 'em and shoot 'em.
ArchAngelCD
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When loading shotshells you should never change any component in the recipe. Some rifle loads are a little fussy with it comes to primers and handgun ammo is least effected by primer changes. For the most part if you use the same type of primer meaning Winchester standard in place of CCI standard primer there's no problem. When you start changing magnum primers for standard primers then the load changes a bit. (but not as much as you may think)
J_McLeod
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Good information to know. Thanks for the replies everyone.
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