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Woman fatally shot by boy hunting bear

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Tragic, & my prayers to BOTH families. "Know your target, and know what is beyond your target" . . . one of four rules by which to live . . . EVERY TIME. Unfortunately, the rubber "thing" on the butt-end of a firearm isn't an eraser . . .
 
Article doesn't reveal age of boy (at least I didn't see it). Could have been 9 or 19. Whatever, it was not a responsible shot. I realize that is a monumental understatement, but those who would take a "brush shot" or a "sound shot" are all too common on public lands, in my experience. The hiker should also have worn hunter orange, but may not have prevented this. Bottom line, stoopid+ stoopid= injury or death.:(
 
According to family and friends interviews the woman was an avid hiker. Last picture I saw of her she was wearing a lot of black. Very unfortunate that hiking in this area you have to worry about being mistaken for anything by a hunter. But the great hiking and hunting areas do intersect. Frankly, and again unfortunately, I try not to hike in local areas that allow hunting due to this sort of thing. I've been in local cafes during hunting season and heard hunters talk about shooting at something they "heard."
 
blame the hunter all you want....but if you choose to go hiking in an area with active hunting youre a fool.

it doesnt matter who is at fault if youre dead.....

i dont need blaze orange gloves and a whoopie cushion for hiking....i will not risk my life by trudging through the brush on public land during hunting season. thats the best way to NOT get shot.

there is so much public land that is off limits to hunters, why would i go hiking where they hunt instead? to proove a point, that will look good in the obituatry.
 
but if you choose to go hiking in an area with active hunting youre a fool.

and you know there is active hunting how?

Think about it, if you have never hunted a day in your life, never known any one that has. how would you know that there is active hunting going on?

As far as the comment, don't go walking thru public land during hunting season. That is a load of pure CRAP. In many areas hunting seasons last for months and in many case its also prime hiking season as well. So some one that does not hunt, but enjoys hiking should stay out during the best time of the year to hike, becuase some hunter some where might shoot them. If that really is a danger, its not the hikers that should be punished for that, its the hunters that should be for shooting at things they should not.
 
there is so much public land that is off limits to hunters, why would i go hiking where they hunt instead? to proove a point, that will look good in the obituatry.

you missed this part for some reason....

you dont have to hunt to excersize good sense prior to trotting off in the woods.
 
"That is a load of pure CRAP."


The real L.O.C. is when selfish hikers pretend the only/best place and time they have to go hiking is in a hunting area and during hunting season. The amount of area people can hike is 500 times the area where people can hunt.

Yes, hunters should indeed be careful, and skilled. But so should others using the same areas at the same times for different purposes.

Whether you're a hiker, biker, hunter or candlestick maker you need to accept responsibility for your actions and safety. Putting it all on others is the Height of Irresponsibility and Selfishness.

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maybe its so hikers don't have to worry about being shot.


BTW I am a life long hunter...
 
DO NOT HUNT ON OR NEAR PUBLIC ROADS OR TRAILS.
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Seems simple enough, but apparently not for everyone.
 
It all boils down to positively identifying your target 100 perecnt of the time, no excuses.

Absolutely. This is 1,000% the fault of the hunter/shooter, and *possibly* the hunter safety ed course curriculum that he no doubt took. Tragic. :mad:

Having said that, due to these idgits, it would not be an entirely bad idea to require *non-hunters* (hikers, etc.) to wear blaze orange on public lands during gun hunting seasons, just as hunters are required.

As far as the comment, don't go walking thru public land during hunting season. That is a load of pure CRAP. In many areas hunting seasons last for months and in many case its also prime hiking season as well. So some one that does not hunt, but enjoys hiking should stay out during the best time of the year to hike, becuase some hunter some where might shoot them. If that really is a danger, its not the hikers that should be punished for that, its the hunters that should be for shooting at things they should not.

Absolutely. First time I ever agreed with TAB. :)
 
The real L.O.C. is when selfish hikers pretend the only/best place and time they have to go hiking is in a hunting area and during hunting season.

There is no indication that the victim did this.

The amount of area people can hike is 500 times the area where people can hunt.

And yet hunters manage to shoot bystanders and other hunters dozens of times a year. You would think they would know better.

Of course, maybe everybody should stop what they are doing during hunting season so that they are not the victims of hunters? The guy in the following article was apparently shot while just driving his car!
http://www.kxnet.com/getArticle.asp?l_s=dailyemail&ArticleId=179502

Then, this trucker was hit by kids hunting squirrel...
http://www.startribune.com/local/11591071.html

This guy was shot by a felon with a gun who was hunting illegally...
http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20051207.html

Whether you're a hiker, biker, hunter or candlestick maker you need to accept responsibility for your actions and safety. Putting it all on others is the Height of Irresponsibility.

And that is why the hunter is 100% at fault.
 
Last time I checked hikers generally don't wear cammo... so why should they have to wear blaze ornage?
 
Well, it's just not a bad idea, during hunting season. If not required, then *strongly* recommended by signs place at all hiking trail heads ("During these dates, it is strongly recommended that you wear 500 ci of blaze orange when hiking here", or similar). Idgit hunters who don't ID their targets will still nevertheless have blaze orange jump out at them and scream "no" when they are about to violate rule 4.

If hikers wore camo, they'd be better off than wearing black during bear season, or tan during deer season. There is NO animal I'm aware of that is camo. So camo would be better than no camo. But since hikers don't usually wear camo, having them wear orange is extra anti-idgit insurance. I'd be very curious to know whether the decedent was wearing an all-black top.

The best medicine to prevent this stuff, however, is the mandatory hunter ed course, the curriculum emphasis involved in that, and the test which the hunter must pass at the end of the day.
 
As far as the comment, don't go walking thru public land during hunting season. That is a load of pure CRAP. In many areas hunting seasons last for months and in many case its also prime hiking season as well. So some one that does not hunt, but enjoys hiking should stay out during the best time of the year to hike, becuase some hunter some where might shoot them. If that really is a danger, its not the hikers that should be punished for that, its the hunters that should be for shooting at things they should not.

Last time I checked hikers generally don't wear cammo... so why should they have to wear blaze ornage?

1st rule of the road is that the pedestrian always has the right of way. That said only an idiot walks out into traffic w/o looking both ways! Here locally there are many areas basically off limits to public hunting that are always available to bikers, hikers, etc. So unless you are out to prove a point, then why not EITHER hike somewhere else, OR wear orange!

BTW the cammo comment is just about the most foolish comment on the thread!

It may be the hunters fault you got shot, but you end up as the one who got shot!

BTW runners and bikers typically wear reflective materials on the road to help get the drivers attention. They have to be foolish not to. Hikers in a hunting area are just as foolish to NOT wear orange or the like to help hunters notice them!

Again fault is one thing, shot is still shot no matter who's fault it is!
 
there is so much public land that is off limits to hunters, why would i go hiking where they hunt instead?

I think a lot of people commenting here have never been hiking or hunting in Washington state. I would say on any given day the hikers outnumber the hunters.

Here is a Sauk Mountain trail. Not necessarily the one she died on.

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http://www.goskagit.com/home/article/young_bear_hunter_kills_hiker_by_mistake/


Young bear hunter kills hiker by mistake

August 03, 2008 - 10:20 AM

ROCKPORT – One shot and lives were changed for ever.

A teenaged hunter on Sauk Mountain Saturday took aim at the figure about 120 yards away and pulled the trigger.

What the Concrete youth thought was a bear turned out to be a 54-year-old woman from Oso hiking with a friend, Skagit County Sheriff’s deputies said. The shot was fatal.

The woman was hiking on the mountain near Rockport with a friend, just five or 10 minutes from the trail head, when she was struck by a bullet, said Sgt. Bill Heinchk, of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife.

According to a Sheriff’s Office news release, the woman had stopped on the trail to put something in her backpack when the hunter took one deadly shot.

The hunter and the victim were about 120 yards away from each other in an alpine area with trees, meadows and brush on very steep terrain, Heinchk said. The juvenile had been hunting with at least one adult at the time of the incident.

Bear hunting season, the earliest hunting season of the year, opened Saturday. The season continues through the end of the year.

Heinchk said that the hunters in the party that included the Concrete youth in the Sauk Mountain shooting all had valid licenses.

State law requires anyone born after Jan. 1, 1972 to pass a Department of Fish and Wildlife hunter’s safety course to obtain hunting licenses, said Fish and Wildlife Capt. Bill Hebner.

There are typically about 20 hunting accidents every year in the area, Heinchk said, and one or two of those are fatal. This accident was unique.

In many hunting accidents, victims are shot by other hunters in their own party, especially during bird season, when they’re quickly whipping their guns around to shoot, Heinchk said.

“A lot of hunting accidents are the Vice President (Dick) Cheney type,” he said.

Other times, hunters’ guns go off when they’re not prepared.

Hunting accidents are rare during bear season, because the number of hunters is much lower than for deer or elk season. Bears are hunted for the sport, as well as meat, which Heinchk said, is comparable to pork.

“We haven’t had any (fatalities) here during bear season, that I can remember,” he said.

Neither the shooter or the victim’s name were released. No one was arrested.

The victim was a resident of Oso, a small community in Snohomish County just south of the line with Skagit County and halfway between Arlington and Darrington.

Due to the steep terrain of where the body fell, emergency search and rescue ground crew volunteers were called to assist in recovery. Those volunteers are trained to work in difficult terrain.

Detectives from the Skagit County Sheriff’s Office as well as an officer from the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife are investigating.

Heinchk encouraged all hunters and all recreational hunters to wear bright orange during any hunting season. Although, he acknowledged, that many people are not aware that bear hunting season is open.

John Koenig, a long-time hunting and fishing guide based in Rockport, said Saturday that hunters should avoid areas where trails are well-maintained since good trails attract the most hikers.

He said that when he guides hunting trips in the area of Sauk Mountain he takes his clients to the more rugged north side of the mountain, where hikers rarely venture.

The exact location of the hiker when she was shot wasn't clear Saturday.

But Koenig said that no hunter should fire on a target unless it has been clearly and positively identified.

"You can't just see a black spot and shoot," he said.

His advice to hikers during hunting season is to stay on the most maintained trails and wear orange vests or jackets.

"You want to stick out like a sore thumb," he said.

Fish and Wildlife’s Heinchk said he always tells his hunter’s safety class: “Once that gun goes off, there is no taking it back, everyone’s lives are changed forever.”

• Tahlia Ganser can be reached at 360-416-2148 or at [email protected]
 
So becuase some idiot is shooting at things they should not be in the 1st place, every one should be punished...
 
When you pull the trigger, you are responsible for the aftermath, period. Before you do so, you are responsible for KNOWING at what you are shooting and KNOWING what is behind that intended target . . . no exceptions or excuses for doing otherwise. Negligence is just that . . . negligence . . . and in this case it had a most tragic outcome. One can't be responsible for the actions & choices of others; one must be in complete & rational control of their own actions & choices, however.
 
I agree with TAB, also a rarity. Unless this hiker was dressed as a bear and growling, the hunter is 100% at fault (or in this case perhaps the minor hunter and his adult supervisor). Which leaves no fault to attribute to the hiker. Hikers are not required to wear bright orange nor should they be. It is the hunter's sole and ABSOLUTE responsibility to be sure of his target. There are no excuses, no alternatives. If there are too many recreational users in an area to hunt safely DO NOT HUNT THERE. And above all else do not shoot at moving bushes.
 
Where did I say that? if you look at my post on page one you will see that in and around hunting season I do wear blaze ornage when I'm in the back country.

So what your saying is, becuase hunters are not responsible enough to know what they are shooting, we need to pass a law stating every one has to wear bright colors.

If that is the case, a better solution is to stop people from hunting. Infact I would rather out law hunting, then require every one to wear blaze ornage in the back country. Its clear to me that hunters are the prob, not hikers.
 
"If there are too many recreational users in an area to hunt safely DO NOT HUNT THERE"

That's real easy to say... IF you live in Texas where virtually all hunting is by contract on fenced private land, or in Alaska or the "raggedy edge of the universe" where people are scarce and huntable land is available in millions of acres.

Move to someplace like Illinois where huntable public land wouldn't make a good-sized mall parking lot and people are more numerous than mosquitos.
Then you'll understand why Safety has to be EVERYONE'S Business. NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
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Saying people shouldn't use the woods during hunting season is like saying pedestrians shouldn't use the sidewalk during rush hour, it is ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. People have a reasonable expectation to not be shot.

Absolutely fault of the hunter. The bottom line is he failed to properly identify what he was shooting at. He irresponsibly used deadly force and killed someone.

While it is smart to try not stand out I don't think it should be a requirement and does not take any blame off the shooter at all.

If you can't 100% identify game you let it go, unfortunate this person made a horrible decision.
 
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