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Woman Kills Elephant with a Bow!

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by testar77, May 7, 2009.

  1. testar77

    testar77 Well-Known Member

  2. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    So wrong on so many levels. It went 500 yards. It took all night to die. I have no problem with killing game animals, but the object of hunting should be to make the shot itself as UNCHALLENGING as possible, not the other way around. DRT should be the goal.
  3. EmGeeGeorge

    EmGeeGeorge Well-Known Member

    i dunno... this seems like the grown up equivalent of shooting a raccoon to death with a spring powered pellet gun, just "to see if (i) could"... kinda gross and purposeless...
  4. testar77

    testar77 Well-Known Member

    Well she couldn't have gotten any closer! In fact I must be a friggin weenie cuz she got A LOT closer than I would EVER think about. Course I would never try and kill an elephant with a bow though either.
  5. Did I step into the twilight zone with the last two posts? Animals often go a long ways when shot with a bow. It happens all the time on every continent. And the story IMPLIES that it "took all night to die" but offers no proof of that. For all we know, it went 500 yards in about 5 minutes, and then dropped dead as a doornail.

    Even someone here took the *implication* that it took all night to die, and repeated it as FACT. All the article says is that she left it overnight to make sure it was dead. Not a bad idea, even if while looking at it, you're 99.9% sure it's already dead. And nowhere does it state that it was still breathing when she left it. Presumably, she's an ethical enough hunter to give it a second or third shot through the heart while it is lying there, if that had been the case. I'll give HER, the hunter, the benefit of the doubt of facts, not some trash online anti-hunter rag. Chances are it was stone cold dead when she left it, but she wasn't going to take any chances.

    Critical thinking, folks.

    Believe me, a bow is plenty deadly. Shooting an elephant with a bow, which can penetrate far better than even your biggest nitrogibbs round, is way way more deadly proportionally than trying to kill a raccoon with a puny pellet gun. It's not a fair comparison, for those that know how deadly a bow is in skilled hands with a razor sharp broadhead. Howard Hill killed an elephant with a long bow in the 20s or 30s IIRC. Albeit a 100 lb longbow. Since she worked out for 4 years, presumably she had a plenty powerful enough bow (obviously did the job), and knew the anatomy extremely well (obviously did the job).

    Funny how the article says that the elephant had no chance. That's laughably untrue. If you went to Vegas bookmakers and told them you're sending in a woman on the ground with a bow with 37 sets of elephant eyes, ears, & nostrils, which one would come dead, her or one of the elephants, they'd give 3 to 1 odds in favor of the elephant living and her dying. I'd say the elephants had the far better chance to kill her, even if she was backed up by a PH with double rifle.
  6. JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone

    JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone Well-Known Member

    Testar77, I seem to remember one wounded snarling Racoon neither of us wanted to get much closer too! :D

    Fact is, dangerous game is often left to parish for hours after the shot. Did it take all night to die? We'll never know. And yes, some animals should not be killed with under powered means. I believe in a quick humane death if I am going to kill something. No suffering. (Except sex offenders) The artical is written from a very biased point of view and doesn't tell the whole story.

    That Elephant meat probably fed hundreds of villagers! And the hunt, paid for by sponsors brought a healthy sum of money into the impoverished country. The hunt appears to have been legal, and most of the hunts on Elephant are targeting animals that have damaged crops or personal property.

    I see no issue with this. She's a hunter. She's got Ko-ho-nay's that ride with the camera man!

  7. testar77

    testar77 Well-Known Member

    Dr. Tad

    I was not saying anything negative about what she did, I was simply stating that I don't have the BALLS to do it!! I am rather impressed myself!
  8. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Did she have an arrow, or just a bow?
  9. Dark Skies

    Dark Skies Well-Known Member

    Killing dumb animals for the fun of it is kind of off-putting to me. I'd have thought elephant flesh would be too tough to be edible for humans. If it can't be eaten then it's just killing for killing's sake.
  10. AKElroy

    AKElroy Well-Known Member

    Look, I have been hunting all my life. First rule is to take the quarry as cleanly as possible, and to be quick with a mercy shot if needed. I agree that we should not be convicting without the facts, so I take your point. However, if that part of the story is actually true, then this was an unethical act. Denying a mercy shot just to set a record would violate everything I was ever taught about hunting.
  11. rr2241tx

    rr2241tx Well-Known Member

    All I can say is that if we had any wooly mammoths left in Texas, there'd be a season on them and a month of bow season ahead of it.

    AFAIK, every safari animal is eaten by the local villagers. The paying hunter and his party usually get one meal, the hide and horns.

    If using weapons for securing a meal bothers you, you definitely are reading the wrong message board. Try MyLittlePony.uk instead.
  12. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    I have to agree - if you're not sure it's really dead, make sure. I'm not a bowhunter and I'm also not a biologist, but I'd imagine that an animal that huge wasn't killed outright by one single arrow, no matter how gnarly the tip and how powerful the bow shot was.

    IMHO, leaving and coming back the next day is cruel and cowardly. Poor example of ethical and reasonable hunting practices.
  13. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    Way to totally miss the point.

    I don't think anyone here has a problem with using a weapon to hunt an animal, whether it's for sport or food - the issue is the ethics of leaving an animal that is very possibly still alive to lay there bleeding and in pain rather than take the few minutes and deliver a final killing blow to end it's suffering.

    If you have a problem with that, I humbly suggest that it might be you that is on the wrong forum.

    SHOOT1SAM Well-Known Member


    I'm not speaking for rr2241tx, but I read it that he was responding to Dark Skies.

  15. Dark Skies

    Dark Skies Well-Known Member

    "I'm not speaking for rr2241tx, but I read it that he was responding to Dark Skies."

    And he still missed the point. If he read my post properly he'd see I have no problem with killing for food.

    In point of fact I regularly shoot rabbits for food. I also shoot rats because they're vermin. I got the impression he just needed an opening to stick his MyLittlePony.UK jibe in. And that's OK - not everyone likes the English.

    SHOOT1SAM Well-Known Member

    Dark Skies,

    Didn't notice you are from the UK, so I didn't quite get the jist of the jibe.

    I'm not picking a fight with you or anyone. I read the reply as if rr2241tx assumed you didn't know the locals ate the meat (and I kind of got that impression myself). Then again, maybe I missed all the points!

  17. 2RCO

    2RCO Well-Known Member

    When I hunt I follow 3 Rules

    1.Kill it as quickly and painlessly as possible.
    2.Don't kill it unless you are going to eat it or it's a pest.
    3. Don't hunt with anyone else that doesn't follow 1 & 2.
  18. dcoop

    dcoop Well-Known Member

    I love the comments from the British Subjects. Typical bleeding heart liberals enjoying the government cheese:D
  19. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    There is one reason for why I try to avoid being judgemental about other folks' styles of hunting: Too many different ways, too many different hunting cultures.

    Look how many posts here are hollering about "Get close!" and decry those of us who are willing to take longer shots. Others laud the virtures of bow-hunting as being more "natural". Some love hunting with dogs, others go bonkers against that. Some will only sneaky-snake still hunt, and will gripe about others who sit in stands.

    Bleeding out from a broadhead, seems to me, is better than lingering for days from the "natural" poisoned arrows used by some indigenes of Africa, or from falling into a pit having stakes in its bottom.

    And, as was pointed out, it's not known if the elephant died quickly or lingered. All we know is that it was found the next morning. Nobody ever had an evening shot on a deer lead to hours of problems? In U.S. deer country, there's nothing out there at night that looks upon you as supper...
  20. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    Stay classy, dcoop. :rolleyes:

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