What's wrong with just getting out of the way? Seriously. It's not your job to teach lessons to everyone you meet. If you let that "dangerous tailgater" past you, they are gone and no longer a danger to you.
Now that's a good story!
Woman shoots at tailgater
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I agree with Henry Bowman. If you are being tailgated please move out of the way. It isn't worth putting up with the flashing high beams and the "bird" being flown. Speed up a little and find a spot to move out of harms way.
Then get the license number and the model of vehicle tailgating you and call it in as an aggressive driver. I live in Colorado and there is a CHP Road Rage number you can call. 303-239-4501
I drive a beater Mazda B2000 pickup to work and it is not a high powered vehicle. I keep an eye on the rear view mirror and get out of the way of vehicles coming from behind. I have a good driving record and don't pay high insurance rates. In fact my agent was surprised by my record and my credit rating which affects your insurance rates.
My $0.02 worth.
Then get the license number and the model of vehicle tailgating you and call it in as an aggressive driver. I live in Colorado and there is a CHP Road Rage number you can call. 303-239-4501
I drive a beater Mazda B2000 pickup to work and it is not a high powered vehicle. I keep an eye on the rear view mirror and get out of the way of vehicles coming from behind. I have a good driving record and don't pay high insurance rates. In fact my agent was surprised by my record and my credit rating which affects your insurance rates.
My $0.02 worth.
Not a good idea. This woman got 2 years in jail for throwing a cup of ice in a traffic jam. I'm guessing that a bottle at highway speeds would be a "deadly weapon" to a prosecutor.
Thats all well and good when your on a four lane road and CAN move over. I've been tailgated when I'm in the right hand lane and on two lane roads when I CAN'T move over.
Tailgaters, slow the freak down. By driving faster than the posted speed limit, you'll get there MAYBE 15 seconds before I do.
I always wanted one of those exhaust pipe oil injectors like they have on aerobatic airplanes 
A couple of squirts should smoke out any tailgater
A couple of squirts should smoke out any tailgater
Well, the law is the law... that said, she gave into temptation. But "there but for the grace of God go I..."
I dont think the pro-gun community, by which i mean us, is particularly forgiving of mistakes. The high road or not the high road, it is certainly amazing how few of us in here have ever made a mistake.
I dont think the pro-gun community, by which i mean us, is particularly forgiving of mistakes. The high road or not the high road, it is certainly amazing how few of us in here have ever made a mistake.
Hang on guys... devil's advocate thinking:
The media is notoriously anti self defense. Let's face it, a vehicle is a pretty deadly weapon. And the press NEVER gets it right.
How do we know for absolutely sure she didn't have reason to believe the tailgater was trying something?
How do we know she didn't say:
"I could tell he was trying to run me off the road, and I was scared, I didn't know what else to do. I was stressed out and tired."
And that got written as "she was tired of tailgaters"?
I'm sure this woman used some very poor judgment, but something tells me she may not be as villainous as portrayed.
The media is notoriously anti self defense. Let's face it, a vehicle is a pretty deadly weapon. And the press NEVER gets it right.
How do we know for absolutely sure she didn't have reason to believe the tailgater was trying something?
How do we know she didn't say:
"I could tell he was trying to run me off the road, and I was scared, I didn't know what else to do. I was stressed out and tired."
And that got written as "she was tired of tailgaters"?
I'm sure this woman used some very poor judgment, but something tells me she may not be as villainous as portrayed.
a guy tried to run me off the road
I had passed him and he got bent out of shape, he pulled up on my left and I had my sp101 with a zeroed in crimson trace.
I could have easily put one in his noggin.
I called the police instead.
If you're in the fast lane, pull over!!!
if your in the slow lane being tailgated then slowing down is perfectly acceptable.
This lady was obviously in the fast lane because she was able to pull into the next lane and shoot at the tires.
A woman highway police officer said (to me) that women more then men tend to not get out of the way when doing the speed limit in the fast lane, and try to force the car behind them to do the speed limit.
(she also called them anal retentive idiots)
I had passed him and he got bent out of shape, he pulled up on my left and I had my sp101 with a zeroed in crimson trace.
I could have easily put one in his noggin.
I called the police instead.
If you're in the fast lane, pull over!!!
if your in the slow lane being tailgated then slowing down is perfectly acceptable.
This lady was obviously in the fast lane because she was able to pull into the next lane and shoot at the tires.
A woman highway police officer said (to me) that women more then men tend to not get out of the way when doing the speed limit in the fast lane, and try to force the car behind them to do the speed limit.
(she also called them anal retentive idiots)
my theory is that roughly 40% of the reason for road rage is that people believe they are mostly anonymous and dealing with total strangers whom they will never see again.
the other 60% is that they're just asses.
but then, i get tailgated a lot because i drive the speed limit.
the other 60% is that they're just asses.
but then, i get tailgated a lot because i drive the speed limit.
Right. THey'll obviously respond at once and do something about it
Wire: Welcome to the board. I don't expect you'll post again, but consider the difference between justice and the law.
I dont think the pro-gun community, by which i mean us, is particularly forgiving of mistakes. The high road or not the high road, it is certainly amazing how few of us in here have ever made a mistake.
A mistake!? Are you freakin' kidding me!?
She tried to kill someone because he was too close to her in traffic. She was able to change lanes, she was able to speed up or slow down, she was able to drive away.
Instead, she fired a deadly weapon at another driver, in traffic, surrounded by other cars.
She didn't mispell something on her Permit to Purchase form. She didn't transpose the digits of her Social Security number applying for a CCW. She didn't fire to quickly on a 'no rapid fire range'
She pulled a gun, and shot at someone.
That's attempted murder, not a mistake.
I must confess to an incident.
I was driving back from Chicago (No carry) to Indy (Carry). Upon reaching the state line I secured and loaded my CCW firearm and placed it in the center console. That's my story and sticking to it.
Where you exit I80/94 to I-65 there was a sign warning of an accident ahead. Usually, the truck that drops off such a sign continues on with the mop and squeegee for the accident scene.
Traffic goes from two lanes to one, taking about a mile to do so (long ramp and was closed on one side, forcing movement earlier.
At the point where it was 1.2 lanes wide, here comes some moron with Wisconsin plates in a Toyota Smallsomething.
I am in a 1983 Pontiac wagon.
Toyota Smallsomething driver is clearly angry at all of us thousands of people making him late, by slowing down for an accident that's been in progress for some time. He weaved past a semi, on the grass to do so.
Ahead of me is an old black gentleman in a Caddy.
Behind me is the semi.
I'm in a 1983 Pontiac wagon.
He's in a Toyota Smallsomething.
So he pulls into my lane and tries to play chicken.
I can't move forward. I can't move back. I'm not about to pull onto the shoulder.
He's close enough his mirror is behind mine--I can see behind us in HIS mirror.
He honks loudly at me, because I am MAKING HIM LATE! He turned the wheel more and tried to force me off the road. We're doing perhaps half a mile per hour.
I rolled my window down.
I knocked on his window.
He didn't even look over in awareness as he flipped the bird.
I knocked on his window again.
He flipped the bird and honked the horn more.
I knocked a third time.
He flipped the bird, turned to face me...
And realized I was knocking on his window with a Browning Hi Power.
First he said it...then he did it. Then he pulled over, backed up behind the semi, and stayed in lane with the other 10,000 of is being made late by someone who had the ill manners to roll their vehicle into a pile of scrap while tangling with someone else in a hurry.
It may have been questionable, but his sanity was also, and I was certainly afraid of him doing something violent, criminal and stupid.
I was driving back from Chicago (No carry) to Indy (Carry). Upon reaching the state line I secured and loaded my CCW firearm and placed it in the center console. That's my story and sticking to it.
Where you exit I80/94 to I-65 there was a sign warning of an accident ahead. Usually, the truck that drops off such a sign continues on with the mop and squeegee for the accident scene.
Traffic goes from two lanes to one, taking about a mile to do so (long ramp and was closed on one side, forcing movement earlier.
At the point where it was 1.2 lanes wide, here comes some moron with Wisconsin plates in a Toyota Smallsomething.
I am in a 1983 Pontiac wagon.
Toyota Smallsomething driver is clearly angry at all of us thousands of people making him late, by slowing down for an accident that's been in progress for some time. He weaved past a semi, on the grass to do so.
Ahead of me is an old black gentleman in a Caddy.
Behind me is the semi.
I'm in a 1983 Pontiac wagon.
He's in a Toyota Smallsomething.
So he pulls into my lane and tries to play chicken.
I can't move forward. I can't move back. I'm not about to pull onto the shoulder.
He's close enough his mirror is behind mine--I can see behind us in HIS mirror.
He honks loudly at me, because I am MAKING HIM LATE! He turned the wheel more and tried to force me off the road. We're doing perhaps half a mile per hour.
I rolled my window down.
I knocked on his window.
He didn't even look over in awareness as he flipped the bird.
I knocked on his window again.
He flipped the bird and honked the horn more.
I knocked a third time.
He flipped the bird, turned to face me...
And realized I was knocking on his window with a Browning Hi Power.
First he said it...then he did it. Then he pulled over, backed up behind the semi, and stayed in lane with the other 10,000 of is being made late by someone who had the ill manners to roll their vehicle into a pile of scrap while tangling with someone else in a hurry.
It may have been questionable, but his sanity was also, and I was certainly afraid of him doing something violent, criminal and stupid.
My habit is go about 8 to 10 MPH over the speed limit. Most everyone around here goes at least 5 to 10 MPH over. If I adhere to that, I don't get tickets. Sometimes I am going faster than most, sometimes people are passing me.
Seriously, if I tailgate you, it ain't nothing personal. I typically only tail gate someone who is going slow in the left lane for no reason and I can't get around them. I'll pass on the right if I can. However, if you are driving parallel to another car for a 3 or 4 miles or having a conversation with the driver on the right, you can bet I will start tailgating you. It ain't nothing personal, I just want to get past you and go my own way. When someone is behind me, I try to do the courteous thing and get out of the way. If you do, I'll do my best to pass you quickly so you don't get cut off. Tailgater really don't piss me off. It is the people who tailgate me and then don't pass when I get out of the way.
I really don't care if you speed up, slow down, or move over, either way it will make room and allow me to pass you.
While there are idiot impatient drivers who tailgate everyone, there are just as many self-righteous, arrogant jerks who think they own the road and no one has a right to go faster than them.
IMHO, before getting upset with other drivers, you should always think about your own behavior and make sure you are acting courteous and polite. I try to do that myself though I admit I don't always.
One other thing, in heavy traffic when cars are stacked up, it ain't tailgating. we are just keeping up with traffic and not allowing 14 people to cut in front of us.
On the article, the woman was pretty stupid. It sounded like she had room and opportunity to get out of the way and did it, yet still got upset. If you cannot control your anger, you really need to ask yourself if you should be carrying a weapon.
Seriously, if I tailgate you, it ain't nothing personal. I typically only tail gate someone who is going slow in the left lane for no reason and I can't get around them. I'll pass on the right if I can. However, if you are driving parallel to another car for a 3 or 4 miles or having a conversation with the driver on the right, you can bet I will start tailgating you. It ain't nothing personal, I just want to get past you and go my own way. When someone is behind me, I try to do the courteous thing and get out of the way. If you do, I'll do my best to pass you quickly so you don't get cut off.
Tailgater really don't piss me off. It is the people who tailgate me and then don't pass when I get out of the way.I really don't care if you speed up, slow down, or move over, either way it will make room and allow me to pass you.
While there are idiot impatient drivers who tailgate everyone, there are just as many self-righteous, arrogant jerks who think they own the road and no one has a right to go faster than them.
IMHO, before getting upset with other drivers, you should always think about your own behavior and make sure you are acting courteous and polite. I try to do that myself though I admit I don't always.
One other thing, in heavy traffic when cars are stacked up, it ain't tailgating. we are just keeping up with traffic and not allowing 14 people to cut in front of us.
On the article, the woman was pretty stupid. It sounded like she had room and opportunity to get out of the way and did it, yet still got upset. If you cannot control your anger, you really need to ask yourself if you should be carrying a weapon.
benEzra
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I hope you're not doing that in the PASSING lane...
There are few things in life more frustrating than someone in the left lane driving in formation with traffic in the right lane...if you are in the left lane driving the speed limit, and traffic behind you wants to go faster, the law says that you need to get out of the way.
Also, if you are coming up to a stop light, and are planning to accelerate slowly away from the light, please get in the right lane, out of common courtesy. Thanks...
Euclidean
No way. She does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. People like her give the antis more ammunition to try to restrict CCW for everyone. They've always said that CCW will lead to road rage shootouts. She proved them right--never mind how rarely a legal CCWer actually does it.
The gun community needs to condemn this kind of activity among ourselves as well as with the non-gun community.
K
No way. She does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. People like her give the antis more ammunition to try to restrict CCW for everyone. They've always said that CCW will lead to road rage shootouts. She proved them right--never mind how rarely a legal CCWer actually does it.
The gun community needs to condemn this kind of activity among ourselves as well as with the non-gun community.
K
madmike
You're lucky you weren't arrested for brandishing. I assume you know you weren't being responsible, if you care.
K
You're lucky you weren't arrested for brandishing. I assume you know you weren't being responsible, if you care.
K
Kentak: I realize I was on shaky ground, though the guy WAS being a threat to my safety.
The trucker thought it was funny as hell.
The trucker thought it was funny as hell.
I read a story in Motor Trend about a driver in a cannonball run (coast to coast race) years ago who wired a switch into the brake lights on his Chevy dually truck. He would flip the switch and then brake check tailgaters. I think at least one of them hit him.
I have zero tolerance for tailgaters. My truck has 14" disc brakes at all four corners and a 200lb rear bumper made of solid steel, 4" pipe and 1/2" plate. If you rear end me you are going to lose. A couple tailgaters have come close to losing.
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I have zero tolerance for tailgaters. My truck has 14" disc brakes at all four corners and a 200lb rear bumper made of solid steel, 4" pipe and 1/2" plate. If you rear end me you are going to lose. A couple tailgaters have come close to losing.
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Here's the shooter
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/11084710/detail.html
Maybe those eyes kept her from hitting the truck
allan
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/11084710/detail.html
Maybe those eyes kept her from hitting the truck
allan
You do realize what you just wrote, correct? Translated, what you wrote said, "There are few things in life more frustrating than people who obey the law."benEzra said:
Just had to point that out ...
And I seriously doubt the law actually says you have to move over if you are traveling at the speed LIMIT. Maybe in your state, but it sure doesn't say that in my state.
When you say discourage tailgating, you mean your tail right? Because in the PNW, the large trucks are usually the biggest tailgate offenders. Particularly the larger trucks and especially those blokes in diesels. Or teenagers that think bumpers should be 4 feet apart when driving behind someone.
off road lights under rear bumper
i had problems of several times being tailgated. mainly while slowing to turn by dumb drivers who cant see or dont know what brake lights are. so i took some off road lights. mounted under rear bumper. when someone gets to close for my comfort. i flip the switch for the rear lights. they back off pretty fast. havent tried it in day time. for some reason i only get tailgated when its dark.
i had problems of several times being tailgated. mainly while slowing to turn by dumb drivers who cant see or dont know what brake lights are. so i took some off road lights. mounted under rear bumper. when someone gets to close for my comfort. i flip the switch for the rear lights. they back off pretty fast. havent tried it in day time. for some reason i only get tailgated when its dark.
Florida has the "Move Over" law if you are impeding traffic no ,matter what the speed you can get a ticket for not moving over to let faster traffic go by.
The law is that the left lane is for passing, so if you are not passing you are not obeying the law
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