Worst. FFL. EVER!

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I can't even count how many things are misguided about your suggestion. Deciding to be an FFL is a business, not a risky business.


Please elaborate, there is absolutely no reason to not initiate the background check prior to the arrival of the firearm to the FFL. Only section A and B need to be filled out for the background check to commence. The day of the transfer the rest is filled in. My reading level and comprehension is quite high if you care to argue the point further. I've actually looked at the form and I use three different FFLs that will do the transfer this way. Illinois has a mandatory waiting period and I don't care to unnecessarily add any time to it.
 
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IMO and from my own frequent FFL experiences, the answer lies in establishing a solid relationship with an FFL before the purchase.

The gentleman I use is also a "kitchen table businessman", but he knows me. When I make a purchase I call him and let him know to expect a delivery in my name. When it comes he calls me. By the time I drive to his house everything is waiting for me on the kitchen table. The process takes 5 minutes tops. Then we visit and talk.

I couldn't be happier.
 
First off, there is nothing wrong with frugality. Our country could learn a bit about it and be better off.

With that attitude you are getting what you paid for. For saving $10 or $20 you don't have your gun and are having the aggravation of trying to meet with the dealer to complete the transaction.

This post is a more of a "what do I do now" and "learn from my mistakes" post.

If you know what he does for a living and his work schedule I would try to time my phone calls on the day before he is off work or when he is on his weekend. Many of us are having to work long hours and six days a week just to make a living.

Am I some sort of a-hole for having the audacity to think that I should be able to take a man at his word?

No. Just naïve and foolish. When it comes to money a persons word and handshake is meaningless. My Dad has been ripped off several times as he refused to get a written contract. His excuse is that he was raised that a mans handshake is his word.
 
I would just politely deal with it with no threats or arguments, get your gun and never use him again and suggest to others you know the same based on your experiences.

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Holy cow some of these responses and suggestions are far right field and even absurd.

Call your congressman? WHAT??? To complain about bad customer service of a private business? Do you call them when McDonalds doesn't give you extra pickles? A bad FFL experience might be an issue to take up with the BBB but not CONGRESS!!!

Calling police to suggest to them that he has stolen your property? It's not his property if he has not taken possession of it and this is yet another FAR overreaching reaction to making his problem someone else's in an attempt to not have to deal with it like an adult.

Serves you right for being such a cheapskate.
Really, that's awfully condescending and pretentious that you suggest he deserve sit for not wasting money. Most of the FFL's around me don't like to do transfers so they sometimes avoid it by charging $50-65 per transaction. That's a hefty price when you are buying 10 AR Lowers at a time for less than that. I travel a few miles away to get it for a much cheaper price and I unfortunately have run into guys that didn't show up to work because they didn't feel like it, businesses who's website states inaccurate hours or days open etc. But nonetheless, the guy has an FFL and agreed to serve the man in a owner - client role and has handled it unprofessionally and inconveniently to him. That is bad business and as a result his business will likely suffer because of it. That burden doesn't fall on the client! Get off your high horse! Quite frankly I would say your arrogant and condescending response was anything but "The high road" but instead a childish jab at someone's unfortunate situation. It provided no substance or assistance but only served as an insult.
 
This doesn't sound so bad. I have a story that makes this one look like a cakewalk. It's over a motorcycle though, not a gun. Still dealing with tough situations and frustrating govt offices though. Long story short, I traded a really really nice mauser k98 custom build .308 benchrest rifle for a motorcycle. Guy that had the bike told me he had title, so I make the trade and he mails me the title...signed over to him from the previous owner, never transferred. So I call him several times and finally his girlfriend returns my call, he is now deployed to Afghanistan, and would straighten it out when he came home. When I called post a couple weeks later to explain to MP station what happened they informed me he is now listed as KIA. So I go look up previous owner, he is an offshore oil rig worker who never is in the US. Well...I'm still fighting this one trying to get a title. I have been to courthouse at least a dozen times thinking I had paperwork in order just to be told I needed one more thing.

It's frustrating waiting on things to work out when you are doing everything in your power and nobody else seems to care. Your situation has an end in sight, be it completion of sale or refund and return. Good luck.
 
Sometimes it looks like we are saving money when we really are not and this seems to be the case.
Sort of like the guy that drives to 10 different store looking for 22 ammo because they don't want to pay $10 shipping.
Or the guy that drives 10 miles to get gas for a nickel cheaper.
I have used a home FFL once in my life and it was as smooth as it could be. I normally just use my regular gun shop and they charge me $25.

I would just be as nice as I could be and make sure I told others about my experience with this guy.
 
Illinois has a mandatory waiting period and I don't care to unnecessarily add any time to it.

Is it still 10 days there? I haven't been back in a while, but the wait made the waiting periods in the brady bill seem down right reasonable last time I checked.
 
Is it still 10 days there? I haven't been back in a while, but the wait made the waiting periods in the brady bill seem down right reasonable last time I checked.


It's 24 hours for a long gun and 72 hours for a handgun. I was delayed with the last transaction so I'm glad I started the 4473 right after placing my order.
 
A man's handshake is worth what the man is.

I still do business the old way.
 
Unproven source, to save 10 bucks, and then complaining on a forum using the title "Worst FFL ever!" seems to be a bit much IMHO.

I guess in the Facebook age posting how foolish we are is cool.

Hassle factor and time IMHO gobbled up any transfer fee savings.

My LGS is open 6 days a week, does a ton of biz (so has FFL on file with a lot of places). I know 'em well, and when my stuff comes in they tell me. I can pick up without hassle at MY CONVENIENCE.

Taurus warranty or FFL phone tag/driving back and forth..........some folks seem to value the story more than the purchase. Probably retired. Gotta have something to tell the fellas at the McD's in the morning.
 
I feel your pain as I've been in similar situations. Over the years, I've learned what seem to be universal truths. One of which is the cheapest deal is not always the best deal; there are intangibles that are worth money in the bank to me.

Good luck in getting your rifle, but if it were me I'd certainly be considering legal pressure of some kind to force this guy's hand. But in the long run, that could cost you money and then the deal of the century may not seem like that any longer.

Unlike a friend of mine I thought would have learned better by now, I never look for the cheapest price, I look for best value. And usually that means I pay a little more. The reputation of businesses I deal with, in this case local gun dealers, is most important to me. In the grand scheme of things, saving $20-30 on say a $600 (or more) gun is just not worth it to me.
 
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Wow. Some seriously harsh reactions here. Good to know there are people in the world who've never made a bad decision. :rolleyes:

When it's all over and you have your rifle, Orcon, file the experience under "Lessons Learned" and move on. Until then, I agree with others that discretion is your friend.

... and we'll be looking forward to a review and range report. :D
 
I've gotten some bad FFL's.
The last guy offered $30 transfers but threw in a $50 "background check fee" for him to call his former cop buddies and have them run a name through their computers.
He was wondering a few years after he opened doors why nobody, literally nobody was doing business with him anymore.
Everybody had come in and bought ONE thing from him and then was done with him,
He went out of business after three or four years of being open.
 
I purchased a pistol on-line awhile back and had the same experience you did. It took me a solid week after he recieved it, to get it transferred to me.

Funny thing was, the guy lived 3 miles down the road from me.

I will no longer buy guns on-line because of this experience, really pissed me off.

As it turns out, one of my co-workes is an FFL, so I have easy access to anything I want to purchase.
 
Please elaborate, there is absolutely no reason to not initiate the background check prior to the arrival of the firearm to the FFL. Only section A and B need to be filled out for the background check to commerce. The day of the transfer the rest is filled in. My reading level and comprehension is quite high if you care to argue the point further. I've actually looked at the form and I use three different FFLs that will do the transfer this way. Illinois has a mandatory waiting period and I don't care to unnecessarily add any time to it.
What is the next step when the firearm doesn't arrive?
 
What is the next step when the firearm doesn't arrive?


Really? The transaction doesn't take place. You don't pay until the job is done so you'd be out nothing but your time. If the firearm doesn't arrive you've got bigger problems than having filled out a portion of the 4473 form. That's your basis for saying that there were so many things about my post that was wrong? You go ahead and wait until your gun is at the FFL to start the 4473 if you like but it's not necessary. If you get delayed you'll be waiting an additional three days on top of shipping time. I usually get to pick my gun up on the day it arrives delayed or not.
 
Judge Not - Give Advise

Wow ! Some comments have been less than informative and downright rude!

Prehaps we should all go back to post # 1 and answer what the OP asked, not how dumb he was or how stupid the answers were, while demonstrating your mental aquity ?!!!

THR is to help by giving good info, and not by being offensive.
 
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Really? The transaction doesn't take place. You don't pay until the job is done so you'd be out nothing but your time. If the firearm doesn't arrive you've got bigger problems than having filled out a portion of the 4473 form. That's your basis for saying that there were so many things about my post that was wrong? You go ahead and wait until your gun is at the FFL to start the 4473 if you like but it's not necessary. If you get delayed you'll be waiting an additional three days on top of shipping time. I usually get to pick my gun up on the day it arrives delayed or not.
Your lens is focused on you, the buyer, mine is focused on the FFL, the facilitator. If you have FFLs that are happy doing it your way, great. I think it's a bad idea as a gun dealer to transfer a serial number.
 
After dealing with plenty of people on Craigslist, there are alot of flakes out there:

People who say "Yea I'll take it! I'll be there in an hour!" and never show up or answer their phone again.
People who check out your $200 drivable beater car for sale and bitch about the price because the A/C doesn't work!
People who describe an item as "great clean condition" and it looks like it's been sitting in a ditch for 20 years.

So yea, he may be cheap, but unfortunately he also seems unreliable too. Just take a deep breath, patiently get the transaction done, walk away and learn from it.
 
Your lens is focused on you, the buyer, mine is focused on the FFL, the facilitator. If you have FFLs that are happy doing it your way, great. I think it's a bad idea as a gun dealer to transfer a serial number.


No idea what you're referencing. How can the FFL be harmed by making a phone call to the NICS? The firearm still gets shipped to the FFL to be transferred to the buyer. They still get to charge their fee. It's a two step process in Illinois whether you wait to start the process or get the ball rolling ahead of delivery. My entire point I was trying to make to the OP was that there was a way that he could meet the FFL and judge how the rest of the transaction was going to go. Like I said, no need to wait any longer than necessary either. If you're making your customers wait unnecessarily then that's your deal. You really should consider letting your customers fill out parts A and B on the form 4473 as soon as you've accepted to take the transfer. You'll have much happier customers especially if there is a waiting period or delay. Have a good one!

Sorry the OP experienced a less than favorable experience but it's wisdom gained.
 
Can we all agree that the OP's FFL is not the worst ever and that RC's FFL beats his for that distinction by a large margin?
 
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