Wyoming keeps 8 and drops 14 other states from reciprocity

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Just saw this link on THR.US.http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=406508

Quote:
TO: All Wyoming Sheriffs
All Wyoming Chiefs of Police

FROM: Forrest C. Bright, Director

DATE: February 12, 2009

RE: Concealed Firearm Permit Reciprocity

I am writing to let all the agencies in Wyoming know of substantial changes resulting from review of other states’ concealed firearm criteria. The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office recently completed examination of the other 49 states statutes for the purpose of honoring concealed firearms permits issued by another state, or reciprocity.

Pursuant to Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-401(a)(iii), Wyoming will recognize a permit from another state that “has laws similar to the provisions of this section, as determined by the attorney general . . ..” The Wyoming Attorney General has determined that with the exception of 8 states, presently all the others concealed firearm permit statutes are not sufficiently similar to Wyoming’s. Specifically, Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-104(b)(v) prohibits issuance of a permit to any person who has been convicted of a controlled substance violation, felony or misdemeanor in any jurisdiction. Most other states’ analogous
statutes do not.

The Wyoming Attorney General holds that if a misdemeanor drug conviction disqualifies a Wyoming resident, is also needs to disqualify an out-of-state permit holder. Due to the difference in how each state handles controlled substance convictions, Wyoming is also limited in our ability to maintain reciprocity with states we may have previously.
Accordingly, as of March 1, 2009, Wyoming can only honor concealed firearm permits issued by the following states: Connecticut, Ohio, Georgia, Oklahoma, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts and Utah.

 

[MJZZZ]

They still honor Utah's non-resident so I'm still OK. Mike

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Mods can you correct the title?

 

[John828]

So Wyoming dropped 14 states from their reciprocity agreements?

What a shame! Such a wonderful state from the outside looking in.

 

[VegasGeorge]

This perfectly illustrates why we need national uniformity of concealed carry laws for interstate visitors. Every State should set its own standards for its own residents while in that State. But American citizens shouldn't be disarmed at the border when they cross from one State to another if they are just visiting or passing through.

 

[22-rimfire]

I tend to agree with WY generally since I believe they should honor permits from all states that have equal or more stringent guidelines in terms of qualifying for a permit. But I want to know some specific details especially with regard to my own state, TN.

Added: Their website says nothing about any changes. What is the source of the information? http://attorneygeneral.state.wy.us/dci/CWP.html

 

[Justin]

I've corrected the title of the thread.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I occupy a funny little corner of the nation. I have a ME resident permit, a NH non-resident permit, and then there's VT. Beyond that there's this long, vast swath of non-gun territory where I cannot carry. No state has reciprocity with mine, perhaps because our permit is so broad (an AK is A-OK). I suppose it would be nice to have reciprocity somewhere, but the only states outside of my odd little corner of the nation where I do any significant amount of travelling are VERY anti-gun.

 

[ChromeLibrarian]

This perfectly illustrates why we need national uniformity of concealed carry laws for interstate visitors.

To me this is a perfect example of why they need to acknowledge an individual's right to carry whatever they want, however they want and mind their own business.

 

[Ala Dan]

That Sucks

as Alabama is not on their approved list~!

 

[rfurtkamp]

Dropping Idaho means...well, they kissed $$ goodbye from a lot of us.

 

[whited]

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As a Wyoming resident, I have to say that doesn't really make much sense.
Nebraska, Idaho, and Colorado no longer honored ? I'm not sure I understand
exactly what Wyoming is attempting to accomplish by not accepting these
neighbor states. Also, it is odd to me that half of the states that will be
honored are eastern seaboard. A step in the wrong direction, in my opinion.

Boo, Wyoming. Boo.

 

[wyocarp]

Believe me when I say that this pisses me off. I understand it, but I feel we should be able to have a permit that works in every state just like the drivers license. I just sent a letter to the Attorney General, Bruce Salzburg. I hope all of you will do the same with respectful letters requesting that he change the direction Wyoming is headed in this issue.

I will be calling his office tomorrow.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

It would be useful to know the back story on this. Was this politically motivated, simply the outcome of a routine review, or the result of a bad case?

 

[Javelin]

More anti's getting their punches in.

 

[denfoote]

No Wyoming vacation for me!!!

 

[Lone_Gunman]

The attorney general's statement explained the reason behind this quite well. If you are still wondering if this was politically motivated, go back and re-read what he said.

The main reason the states were removed is because those states would issue CCW permits to people who had misdemeanor drug violations. Wyoming will not allow its own residents to have a CCW permit if they have misdemeanor drug convictions, so why would they possibly want to let an out of state person with misdemeanor conviction carry?

 

[TAB]

Good for Wy.

 

[Dienekes]

Some states are going to reciprocate us out of business for traveling on our permits. I wonder if that is the unstated purpose behind some of this. OTOH, issuing to persons convicted for misdemeanor drug offenses is pretty stupid, also.

Probably a good reason to just go with AK/NH type permissive unlicensed carry and be done with the whole mess. I really don't like the idea of anyone and everyone carrying, because I don't trust anyone and everyone.

But neither do I like politicians fine-tuning personal defense issues that put other people at risk, in-state or out of state. All it does is breed (richly deserved) contempt.

 

[PTK]

And I'm done going to Wyoming. That sucks, I like that state.

 

[TAB]

Of course.

A state stading up for itself and disallowing people who under there law could not legally do something( does not matter what it is), sure sounds like a bad thing to me...

 

[rmmoore]

Folks, I understand your anger, me too. But, as a CCW Instructor in Wyoming, let me offer a suggestion. Get a Utah Non-Resident Permit. It's good here, is one of the easiest permits to acquire, you NEVER have to set foot in Utah to get it as long as you can find a State approved instructor to teach the class. It's also one of the most widely accepted Permits in the Country. And yes, I teach the Utah class as well. Been doing it since 2001, I think. They maintain a list of Instructors in every State at www.bci.utah.gov

 

[Zoogster]

What do you expect. That is going to be the national trend. You license a right and the license requirements are going to gradualy increase.

When it was a new concept the requirements were minimal.
Over time everyone thinks of one more thing someone should learn beforehand, and someone thinks a higher and higher fee/tax could could help with more and more of the state budget.

States that do not think the requirements of another state are strict enough will pressure them to raise thier standards. The tit for tat raising of the requirements to maintain reciprocity will continue.

I tend to agree with WY generally since I believe they should honor permits from all states that have equal or more stringent guidelines in terms of qualifying for a permit. But I want to know some specific details especially with regard to my own state, TN.

With that attitude it is a slow race to be a more restrictive state to be "better" than the others so more will honor your permits. Is it any wonder they still choose to honor MA for example? The state where everyone needs local police permission and the laws are like some foriegn nation?
"We will honor permits from any state clearly more repressive than us, because if you qualify in a place more repressive than us you are clearly qualified here."
I guess most foriegners who have gun permits in thier home nations should have even more gun rights than most Americans with that logic. "Oh you qualify to have a gun in Authoritarianistan? You are clearly more qualified than most Americans then."
Australia require membership in a club for X amount of time, state inspection of storage for various firearms etc. Thier requirements for mere ownership are oftentimes higher than ours to carry. I guess they should just be handed a gun when they get off the plane here.

Lets reward citizens from anywhere they vote for or allow a more repressive state! Lets all try to make our states more restrictive so that out of state residents purchase our state's permits valid in more places, creating revenue for our state government.
Such a great system.

Now we just need to start licensing free speech. There is a large profitable market on selling "rights" out there!

 

[Kind of Blued]

Well, as a fan of Wyoming who lives near-by and has never been convicted of anything but two traffic infractions, I won't be going there again.

 

[PTK]

Well, as a fan of Wyoming who lives near-by and has never been convicted of anything but two traffic infractions, I won't be going there again.

Man, no more trips to Cheyenne for you either, huh? We both should call the state gov't there and tell them just why we're not going back.