You can NEVER get complacent! (or, my exotic ND)

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Ian

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I had an ND today. I pulled the trigger on a gun that I had not checked, and nearly shot a friend. It was, I think, the stupidest and most terrifying thing I've ever done.

They - and I earlier this very day! - say that all guns are always loaded, and that unitentional shootings are only ever made with "unloaded" guns. Well, THEY'RE RIGHT! You can't assume it's unloaded, ever.

Here's the gun I fired, a Colt M1895 "Potato Digger":

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I took that photo a year ago - it's a gun in a private collection that belongs a friend of a friend. I had the privilege of looking through collection last year, and again today. This collection is a veritable museum of rare and exotic guns, but the owner does shoot them, so I was careful to check everything I laid a hand on. I was fiddling with all the older mounted machine guns - they're all really interesting in their different mechanisms. I'd just finished wrangling with a Hotchkiss, and was distracted from some conversation by the 1895. It has a funky swinging underlever operation that I'd never seen up close. The gun was dusty, and I don't think it had been moved in the year since I took that photo. There was no belt in or near it, and I treated it like an antique rather than like a gun. I operated the underlever to see how it worked, and then simply pulled the trigger to drop the bolt and relieve the mainspring.

I had a moment of sensory overload from the totally unexpected detonation, and opened my eyes to a minor cloud of smoke and ringing ears - through which I could make out someone yelling, "what the ____ was that!?"

I was pretty stunned and useless, and one of the other folks there asked if anyone had been hit. I must be blessed by something, because nobody had been - but barely.

As you can see, the 1895 is next to a wall of guns. In front of its muzzle was a Russian 1910 Maxim gun on a wheeled, armored Sokolov mount. I have read accounts of people claiming that armor plate is rather flimsy, and only protection against errant shell fragments. Those people are wrong. That shield will stop a rifle round point blank, and it's the only reason my friend isn't in the hospital - he was sitting about 10 yards down the hall, right in the bullet's line of travel. My bullet made a nice shiny pockmark in the shield and deflected into the ceiling instead of hitting him.

I completely disregarded every single safety rule, and nearly killed someone as a result. I sure as ____ won't be so unforgivably stupid again, and I urge you to take heed from my errors.

For the record, the 1985 is one of those machine guns that can retain a live round in the action after the belt is removed. If I had thrown the lever a second time, that round would have fallen out the bottom - but only cycled it once. Just right to chamber that orphan round. I suspect that the gun hadn't been moved or fired since the last time I saw it, so it's probably loaded in that photo. *shudder*
 

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damn good to hear everyone was alright. In an enviroment like that i would have probably assumed it was unloaded as well. Lesson learned
 
*^&^ Whew! Good thing you missed, or all the antis would be screaming "Oh, no, someone was shot with a machinegun!":D

No, really, that was close...
 
Is the owner pissed?

I know he's been very cool with you showing off some of his toys in the past. I hope y'all are still on good terms.
 
Glad everyone is OK but I have a question for you that I never really understand in these situations, and I mean no offense at all.

Why do people feel it necessary to pull triggers on guns they are looking at? I don't understand why people have this urge.
 
No offense taken, TR. I can't speak for anyone else, but my reason was simply to leave the gun in the same un-cocked state that I found it.

Hank - Time will tell. Initially, he was just curious at exactly what had happened (probably wondering if it was a mechanical failure of the gun).
 
Damn. I know that a ND when you are not in a room full of antiques is a major o sh** moment. I cant imagine how you felt. I am glad everyone is ok! Thank God for that! Just use it as a lesson!! Learn from your mistake!
 
Thats why I try and follow The Golden Rule...
"Keep yer Booger hook off the bang Switch".
Glad things didnt go totally wrong.


Jim
 
I shot a hole through my floor furnace years and years ago. I KNEW the .45 was unloaded, but pointed it in a safe direction and pulled the trigger to uncock it.

At least I followed the safety rules, well, the point it in a safe direction one anyway. It's scary for sure.
 
Wait, so the belt was not present, and you cycled the action?

It sounds like the mechanics of the firearm in question conspired against you if that's the case.

Obviously, you SHOULD have visually inspected the chamber (although being unfamiliar with the potato digger, I don't know how easy or difficult it is to do that), and that's a lesson that many, MANY people I know could stand to learn. It's very easy to lose, or never develop the habit of visually inspecting the chamber.

Instead, they remove the magazine or belt (in this case, the belt was already not present), and work the action, and decide it's clear, because if it was loaded, the round would be ejected, and then it'd be clear anyway.

But you did cycle the action, which in modern weapons, would have served to clear the weapon.

I think this should best serve as a reminder for everyone when dealing with obscure, antique weapons. THESE WEAPONS ARE OLDER THAN THE 4 RULES! Applying the 4 rules to these weapons is NOT going to come as naturally as they do with modern weapons.
 
i am glad no one was hurt. you were very lucky! i would bet that it will probably be the last time you will see those guns. but compared to not seeing your freedom for the next 20 years, it is a good trade. i learned ( i hope for a lifetime) about getting complacent. i had a 357 mag. and fortunetly for me, i had some of that plastic training ammo. because when it unexpectedly went off, and dented the ceiling instead of punching a hole through the ceiling and roof of the house, that i was renting from my dads best freind! i was both scared, and relieved. it sure sent the signal home for me. if it had been a real cartridge, not only would i have had to explain it to my dad, his freind, but the police would have been called (it was right in the city) and i would have had to explain it to them. boy, was i lucky. you were not quite as lucky, but lucky enough!
 
Thanks for posting this Ian...

You obviously screwed up and I greatly respect that you are standing up to take the blame and not making excuses.....

Thank the Good Lord Above that no one was hurt!!!! Say a prayer of thanks tonight!

Back in my Navy days, we trained and trained and trained..... the same stuff on a rotating schedule. It was a challenge to keep it "fresh" and "stimulating", but the hard reality is that we humans are stupid and forgetful and need a lot of reminders if we're ever going to get something 100% right. Some folks are fatalists and resign that we can never do anything 100%. But I take this to be a royal cop out. To me it really says, "I'm not willing to take responsibility for my actions, nor do the hard work that is required to be 100% safe".

So your post is a valuable training moment.

I had the experience of writing operating procedures for a couple of unique, one of a kind, machinery installations on my first sub. My mission was to make the instructions "sailor proof". Meaning of course, that if there was any possibility that the procedure could be screwed up and got wrong, it would take a sailor to do so. We used this as a self deprecating joke, referring to ourselves (navy nukes) as stupid sailors. But what it really meant was that the machinery would have to be used under extreme conditions (fire, flooding, etc...) because our adversaries were not expected to give us a "time out" while we extracted our rear ends from our unfortunate circumstances. We had to try to foresee every possible contingency, and provide alternate procedures for each potential fault.

The reason I'm rambling on about this is because, $#it happens, as Ian just described (just think how long that round was in that MG, 50 years?). My first XO gave me a royal @ss chewing once and finished off by telling me what my job "really was"....

"Murphy is the real enemy Ensign, and Murphy's army is out to get you every minute of every day. YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE D@MN SURE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON YOUR WATCH!"

I remember that comment made 18 years ago, like it was yesterday.

So here's my point....

We as "gun guys" need to have the same sense of humility as Ian has shown and realize that we're really just like sailor's and very capable of screwing up something as simple as the four rules.

That humility will put a healthy fear and respect into the deep parts of your soul and that fear and respect will go a long ways towards keeping you safe and Murphy in his box.

I don't know for sure why, but this past year, I've been asked to "introduce" a young person to firearms on thee occasions. And believe me, I do not advertise my interest in firearms and talk myself up as any kind of expert.

I've made sure that each of these range trips started with a "safety brief" and pretty much used Cooper's four rules as my outline. I state rule #1 as follows "every gun should be handled as if it is loaded until proven otherwise". Then I add this as a corollary to rule #1.... "you can not determine if a firearm is loaded unless you are familiar with it's mechanism and understand how the action works". I then give the classic example of checking the chamber clear on an auto-loader, while a charged magazine is still in the weapon, then releasing the slide and dropping the mag., not realizing that you just loaded the pistol, while attempting to check it clear.

In the past three years, I've really become a "gun nut", (well as much as my finances allow that is), and I love to experience, handle and shoot all kinds of different firearms, new and old. Yet, I do NOT seek to handle any firearm, unless the owner/dealer demonstrates the action to me first. Even if I think I know how it works and the owner hands it to me, thinking that I know more about guns than he does. I first ask them to show me how to check it clear and to demonstrate how the action works.

This only requires two things.

1. An attitude of humility (I'm not the expert about your gun, perhaps you can please teach me about it) and

2. A willingness to learn something new. (which of course means you can't be a "know-it-all).

What I see in Ian's example, is that he didn't really understand how the machine gun action worked, and yet proceeded to handle the weapon. And being that it was a relic, it's very likely that no one has the manufacturers owner's manual for the weapon and the owner himself may not understand fully how it works.

So thank you Ian for the "training moment" that your story affords us all.

I'm sure you'll be taking it to heart and will be a better man for the experience.
 
Fortunately, my only ND occurred at the range. I was sure that my .22 pistol was empty, but I always drop the hammer before packing it away. I nonchalantly pointed the pistol downrange and received the shock of my life when I was rewarded with a POW instead of a benign *click*:what:

Never again. Never take safety for granted. A couple of second of procedure can save you from a lifetime of grief.


Ian,
Thank goodness nobody got hurt! And good on you for manning up and taking responsibility. Now... Go forth and sin no more!:)
 
WOW...

I am sorry it happened, happy that no one was hurt and hope THAT ALL OF US can take this lesson to heart.

1.) All guns are loaded
2.) Don't STORE guns that are loaded...

Happy Holidays!
 
the last time my hammer dropped was when I shot it.

A typical rule of mine, even though I am very familiar with a large variety of firearms, I don't mess with people's stuff. If I do, it's the owner messing with it and I just observe. Unless we're at the range, of course, then it's on. Everyone's style and routine are different, some people keep their stored firearms in pieces, some in cases unloaded and decocked, some in cases unloaded and cocked, some in cases loaded and decocked or cocked, some people unload old firearms they don't use often, some keep them loaded and ready to go.
 
Is the owner pissed?

After being urinated at myself,

I would really be urinated at the owner for leaving it like that.

Not me, I would never assume someone leaves a gun lying around unloaded, even if stored with many other guns or on display. For all you know he wants some or all of them ready to rock & roll at a moment's notice. They could also just leave some loaded accidently.


A reminder is still helpful though, thanks for sharing. Even guns on display which have not been moved in years should be assumed loaded. Even guns that take belts or magazines with no belt or magazine in them should not be assumed to have nothing in the chamber.
Your example points that out exceptionaly well.
 
WOW. Glad no one got hurt.

Also, thanks for that reminder. Complacency is all to easy. As you pointed out its so easy to make a simple mistake. I for one will take away from this example a better respect for my responsibility as a gun owner. And I hope to god I listen to my fellow gun owners!

KeithET
 
Thanks for posting that here. I'm really glad nobody got hurt, and I hope we can all learn from it.
 
This is why I don't TOUCH the trigger unless I want to shoot something. That is the only time it actually needs to be touched.

Learning about how a specific gun works by messing around with it is a bad idea. As a stereotype, men are tinkerers, and we like figuring out how things work.

Guns you've never seen or used are a PERFECT example of when you just need to get over your inquisitive nature and let someone show you how it works. Especially when there is someone who knows how it works, standing right next to you.
 
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