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you know what my pet peeve is?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by avs11054, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. morcey2

    morcey2 Well-Known Member

    I say that all the time, but I have to put "new" in air-quotes because I've yet to buy a new gun other than my AR lower.

    And my other pet peeve is people who use air-quotes. And the fact that I've yet to pick up a NEW mosin. Or Remington mosin. or Sestroryetsk (however it's spelled.) Or Chatellerault.

  2. 0to60

    0to60 Well-Known Member

    It is a right, no question about it. But I see more and more unsafe gun handling everywhere I go. I was at a gun store in WI a month ago and the old guy working behind the counter didn't even know how to safety check half the guns he sold.

    Any time a hobby becomes increasingly popular, its going to attract people from all over the proficiency/dedication spectrum. THIS particular hobby, however, demands a level of safety and vigilance that is a bit beyond what some casual newcomers are willing to observe.
  3. kbbailey

    kbbailey Well-Known Member

    ...very well said.
  4. Davek1977

    Davek1977 Well-Known Member

    Whether it be my 5 yr cousin or my 96 yr old grandmother, I won't make excuses for anyone breaking ANY of the four rules, espcially by pointing a gun at me. There is no excuse to ever point a gun at any living creature you aren't willing to destroy or kill. Making excuses for ignoring basic safety is one of the quickest ways to ensure you won't shoot with me or in my proximity any time soon.
    In a perfect world, maybe. In the real world, canted sights and whatnot happen, and its easier to avoid buying the gun in the first place than it is to fix issues that could have been caught before the purchase. IMO, checking the alignment of the sights against cant is a must, especially when purchasing certain guns. Its hardly a newbie error, and serves a function. It may seem unimportant, until you get home with a gun with easily visable canted sights
  5. jcwit

    jcwit Well-Known Member

    Never pointing a gun at anyone. Not sure how its done now but I remember bayonet training back in the 60's, and yup, we pointed "guns?" at each other.
  6. x_wrench

    x_wrench Well-Known Member

    i agree with Impureclient, shout loudly, embarrass the cra* out of them, and make them feel like they are the size of ant dung. they have no business pointing any gun at anyone, unless they are defending themselves from an attack. which clearly they were not. they were simply showing extreme ignorance. and need to be corrected. that is one nice thing about getting older, you do not care so much about what others think about you anymore. it makes it a lot easier to yell at someone when you do not worry about what someone else might think.
  7. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    We need to correct your use of punctuation and capitalization before you are allowed to post here anymore.

    Not really, but please give it some thought.
  8. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    Once again, I'll try to make this point stick.

    It's far more likely to be killed or injured by bad driving than by bad gun handling, yet we are very tolerant of people pointing motor vehicles at us all the time. Yes, there are differences (being able to get out of the way of a car versus a bullet, for one). Cars aren't supposed to hit anything, yet we see far more accidents in which things (people, pedestrians, and other cars) get hit by cars than in which property or people get hit by bullets.

    I'm not making light of firearm safety, and I agree it's no fun getting muzzled. But these "bad gun handling" threads are beginning to sound like little more than self-righteous snobbery to me.

    I'd like to attend a gun show or a store with some of you guys that are so sure of your impeccable gun handing and attach a magnetic laser pointer to the crown of every gun you pick up so you can see just how many times you muzzle someone or point the gun at something that could cause a ricochet.

    There are reasons why "never point a gun at anything you're not wiling to destroy" and similarly worded rules about muzzle direction are accompanied by rules about open actions, verifying that guns are unloaded, and perhaps most importantly, keeping fingers off triggers. In crowded gun-buying venues, it is virtually impossible to conduct routine gun buying activities without at some point having the muzzle at least in the general direction of another person or a ricochet-prone surface. To claim otherwise is....well, try that laser and you'll see.
  9. HoosierQ

    HoosierQ Well-Known Member

    Just about every gun shop I go to has at least one deer head mounted. I aim at that.
  10. Potatohead

    Potatohead Well-Known Member

    All he failed to do was not capitalize...I've seen A LOT worse here.

    PS I don't think you are supposed to start a sentence with the word "but". Post #68 Just sayin':)
  11. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Gun store people are mostly cowards. They are afraid to harsh anyone's mellow by calling them out on safety rules. I have made nemerous complaints to staff and management over it, I even had one go so far as to pull security camera footage, view the offense, and fire people.
  12. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Potatohead.

    I would caution my students about beginning a sentence with a conjunction, but when one holds an MA in composition he can get away with bending a few rules, as long as he knows he's doing it and has a good reason. It's a whole different thing to do it unwittingly.
  13. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    More likely they think it is bad customer service.
  14. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    So......we are allowed to ignore safety rules if it makes customers happy?
  15. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter Well-Known Member

    Not what he said. He said that that is probably why workers don't correct customers, he never said that it is an acceptable excuse.
  16. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    Exactly....I think that is a more reasonable assumption than "they are cowards".

    Anyone who has ever worked retail (especially for a large company, like a big box store) would know that management and regional management is constantly pounding into peoples' heads that they need to please the customer.

    I've even been told stories of a place like Nordstroms allowing a customer to return a tire to their store (Nordstroms doesn't even sell tires).

    Do you know how conflicting that must be for some of these associates?

    They know they can't make a customer angry, but at the same time, they know people shouldn't be pointing guns in unsafe directions.
  17. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    Guns are built shipped and stocked like any other item in commerce. At retail it is incumbent upon the counter man to pass and receive a safe weapon to and from a customer. Negligence at that point is inexcusable and the same goes for the customer once they leave the store with their shinny new gun and box of shells.
    This is especially true when the gun is accessible to the public in open racks and at gun shows.
    To have a gun for sale without restricted access loaded is a crime in my view. These same situations also leave open opportunity for all kinds of mischief as well.
  18. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    So...they have just never HEARD OF the safe handling rules? No way. They are AFRAID of losing sales, so they let them slide. That's COWARDICE.
  19. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one that has figured out that there are a bazillion stuffed animals all hung or free standing way up high at every Cabala's Store that you can point an unloaded gun at, check out the sights, and test the trigger, and will not be pointing a gun at a person? Target? There are targets everywhere in those stores.


    Ignoring safety is never ok. I am consistantly unimpressed with the people who work at these stores. I had a person befind the counter muzzle sweep my face. I just consider it as part of the game now.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2013
  20. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    So every guy at the gun counter should be a range officer or firearms instructor? I just don't think they get paid enough to do that. If store policy was to not fire or discipline an employee for correcting an ignorant customer then the discussion would be different but having some irate customer up in the managers face because a $10-$15 an hour clerk corrected them in front of his sweetie is asking to much. If you want to point out cowardice then do it to corporate and store managers who don't make such safety matters company policy.

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