You people talked me into it. I bought an old S&W

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EddieCoyle

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Hi all,

After reading the many posts extolling the virtues of old S&W revolvers, I went and bought myself an Model 14. I have a couple of questions on it.

First, here it is:

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It is marked "MOD-14" (no dash) with a serial number of K3517XX. Here are my questions:
1. Anybody know when this was made?
2. Is it unusual for a revolver marked MOD-14 to be made from stainless steel?
3. What's the difference (if any) between a Model 14 and a K38 Masterpiece?



Thanks for your help.
 
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It was made around 1959 and the difference is a K38 came before 1956 and mod 14 after 56 when they marked them with a model number. It is not Stainless steel but Nickle, if the extractor star is blue it probably is factory done. The Grips are not original. But tis a nice gun.
 
Very nice! If that is a factory nickel finish, you have a real keeper. Factory nickel 14s are rare.
 
OH la la. Now THAT's got me UP!:D
Even if it isn't factory nickle(which it prolly is as the Baugham ramp front sight was also a special order option) if it is a good job you got a wonderful gun. I can't think of a better k frame, and K frames being so perfect and all.....
Nice and you show immpeccable taste!:)
 
Be careful how you clean that nickle finish, bore cleaners can remove the nickle!

The grips are later ones. The proper grips would be "diamond" Magna grips.
 
Wow. Thanks all for your help! It is indeed nickel and not stainless (a weak magnet will stick to it). The extractor is blued.

Can anyone recommend a good cleaning solvent for a nickel gun? I cleaned it last night using Hoppe's No. 9. Will that harm it?

EDIT: Never mind on the solvent. I did a search and think I'm all set.
 
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Nice gun! Looks like a very good score.

The only problem with it is that if you miss, you know it isn't the gun's fault!
 
It's just so unfair. You go to buy your first "old" S&W and you get a factory nickel finished Model 14 from 1959. It's just so unfair! :banghead:
 
This would be worth the $30 letter from Roy Jinks at S&W to verify the finish as shipped. Nickel 14s are EXTREMELY rare and if original the gun is worth 3X or 4X whatever you paid for it. Because of the scarcity of real nickel 14s I would suspect it has been refinished.

The stocks are incorrect for this gun (later style) and if anything has been changed I get suspicious about the rest of it, too. The front sight is normally the Patridge type and yours has the Baughman ramp. Either special-ordered or also changed at some point.

I would get the letter to be sure.
 
thatguy said:
This would be worth the $30 letter from Roy Jinks at S&W to verify the finish as shipped.

How does one go about getting such a letter? I'm going to take it to the local S&W guru on my way to the range in about 1/2 hour and have him look it over. He's a retired S&W engineer/machinist that works part time at a nearby shop.
 
I believe the factory nickel ones have an "N" stamped on the back face of the cylinder, at least my N frames, do. Don't have a K to check. HTH
 
I took it to my local S&W expert and he says that he's almost certain it's factory-nickeled, either that or "it's the best imitation of a factory job" that he's ever seen. I'll probably do the letter thing to make sure.

Any idea as to value? My local guy said that if I got some original stocks for it he'd put it at 98% or so.

Also, can someone recommend a good source for original stocks?


Checkman said:
It's just so unfair. You go to buy your first "old" S&W and you get a factory nickel finished Model 14 from 1959. It's just so unfair! :banghead:

Hey, everybody had a chance at this. I got it in a Gunbroker auction on Saturday and picked it up last night (first time I've bought a firearm online).
 
An excellent refinsh can be hard to spot. Pull the stocks and see if there is a star or a diamond stamped on the grip frame. This indicates a factory rework and a factory refinish might look as good as original.

If the rework mark is there I wouldn't bother with the letter. If not, I would spend the $30. I would GUESS that an original nickel 14 in 95+% would bring $1,200-$1,500. Just a guess and it may be more. They are very rare.
 
BigG said:
I believe the factory nickel ones have an "N" stamped on the back face of the cylinder, at least my N frames, do. Don't have a K to check. HTH

My nickel 19 has an N stamped on the cylinder. :D


Beautiful 14, even if it's not the original finish or grips. I'd love to have it in my collection.
Check ebay for grips, diamond magna grips come up all the time.

edit: just saw the gunbroker final bid. :what:
 
Whoa, dude, before you get carried away, I think you have been taken for a ride. This is an obvious Chinese clone knock off. Do not fire it. Repeat, do not fire it!

I collect cheap Chinese knock-offs. I know, it is an odd hobby, but lets settle on a price (~100 bucks).

Send it to me. You will feel better about things.
 
EddieCoyle said:
Can anyone recommend a good cleaning solvent for a nickel gun? I cleaned it last night using Hoppe's No. 9. Will that harm it?
I found out the hard way that Hoppe's No. 9 will, indeed, harm nickel finishes.

Make sure that you remove any Hoppe's that may get trapped under the wood grips. :(
 
Even if the rework mark is there I'd get the letter.
It would be nice to know that if it didn't start out as a nickled gun when was it renickled.
If it turns out it was renickled in 1959 or 1960 that would greatly affect the value moreso then, if say, it had been refinished in 1989.

And even if it did have the star that doesn't mean it was nickled to begin with and renickled again later. Once again the value between a renickled originally nickle specimen and a renickled originally blued specimen would be different.

The Star only indicates it's been sent back to S&W for work. It could mean repair and/or refinishing.

If there is also a Diamond that usually indicated there was a major part replaced.

Sometimes, but not always the Star or Diamond is followed by a B,N or S marking. B=blue, N=nickle and S=standard

If there is a B, N or S inside of a rectangle that means it was indeed refinished.

But the letters were not always used the same way. If, for instance, a nickled gun had been returned and refinished in blue, the letter (if any) would certainly be B. But if that same nickled gun had been refinished in nickle the letter (if any) could be either N or S.
Conversely a blued gun refinished in blue could be B or S while the same gun refinished in nickle would be N.
However, a gun such as, let's say, a Model 14 K-38 Masterpiece, factory finished in nickle, (which was a rare finish for this particular model, was for some reason sent back to be refinished and the owner wanted it blued instead the marking could be either B or S. S might have been used since the standard Model 14 finish was blue.

Confusing isn't it?

That's why a Jinks letter is so important.


Now, the stand alone N, quite often found on the rear or nickled cylinders, only indicates that the cylinder had been surface polished in preparation for nickle plating.
The degree of final surface polishing while still in the white was different for nickled and blued guns. And cylinders were placed in separate racks from frames.
 
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BINGO We have a WINNER!

What you have there is a genuine Smith & Wesson, refinished in nickle by the Factory, revolver.

The odds are that it was originally produced as a blued gun. But only a letter will tell you for sure.
For several models such as the Model 53 .22 Jet ALL of the factory nickled guns were originally blued and some were refinished into nickle before they ever left the factory!

Most of those refinished guns were done within months of production.

If your gun had been refinished from blue to nickel within just a few months of production it would have a much higher collectors value than a blued gun that had been refinished into nickel, let's say, five or ten years later.
 
BluesBear,

Thanks much. Not to be a suck-up but you're the kind of poster that makes this forum the best.

I'm not sure if I'm going to do the letter thing. I'm half-glad that this isn't some kind of extreme collector's item. I bought it so I could shoot it; not collect it.

I took it to the range yesterday - outdoor range, cold, rainy day. I was working on about 5 hours sleep and too much coffee and I must say that even with the handicap, it is probably the most accurate revolver I've ever fired.

I'm hooked and I'm going to need a bigger safe.

P.S. I picked up some CLP and Lead-Away cloth at my local shop and this thing cleaned up like a gem.

(Shameless plug: If any of you are ever in Mass., go to Blue Northern Trading Company in Ayer. Great guys.)

When I get motivated, I'll post some beauty shots on the Shameless Revolver Pics thread.
 
Your gun may have been refinished in September of 1978. Note the 9 78 stamp. They often stamped the month and year of the work this way. They may have changed the front sight at this time, too, or it may have been ordered that way.

I think what you have is nice, old M14 shooter.
 
I've cleaned my nickel 29 with Hoppes #9 for years with no nickel loss, just be sure to wipe off all the surfaces very well with a dry cloth. Since it's nickel you don't need to leave a light film on it like you would a blue gun.
 
Hoppe's #9 won't hurt a good nickel finish. The problims arise if there is any scratched, pitted or worn area that would allow the solvent to reach the underlying metal. When that happens, if the Hoppe's is allows to remain too long it will begin to creep underneath the finish and will lift the nickel causing it to flake and peel.

You can even clean a badly pitted nickel plated gun with Hoppe's #9. Just don't allow it to remain. Remove it and leave a good layer of oil in it's place.


Oh yeah, NEVER allow a nickeled gun to lay for too long on anything made of wool.
A museum in Kentucky had a display of a nickled Colt that was laying on a woolen uniform. After several years they moved the display case and when they lifted up the Colt all of the nickle, from the down side, was gone.
 
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