How are they going to search 130 million homes?

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There are over 130 million homes in the US - and somebody keeps saying "they" are going to go door to door searching them for guns. It's The End Of The World As We Know It all over again.

Let's do the math -

Take my metro for example. About 23,000 "housing units," which include separate apartments, and about 90 cops to search each and every one. Two military units, one USAR MP, another NG Engineer, with about 400 soldiers, tops, and a medical unit. Plan on a 50% non participation rate, leaving 250 to search.

It takes about 10 people to rapidly search a building of normal home sized proportions, which leaves about one per room at minimum. They have to look in every piece of furniture, dumping the contents, then examine the ceiling, walls, and floor, all while moving things out of the way. They will be looking the most for concealed hiding places between studs, under the rugs and flooring, under the house if it has a crawl space, and in the attic, regardless of whether it has access. What looks like solid construction may simply be deceptive. Given a thorough search it would take about one day, including the ground outside the house, plantings, and trees, then outbuildings and sheds.

Of the 250 workers that's 25 teams, about 25 dwellings a day, and they will need ground radar to cover every square inch for buried guns. Ground radar costs about $15,000 minimum each and they only build them to order - long lead times should be expected.

And that is allowing about one hour per room, with whatever time is left to search the grounds. An 8 hour day per property with ten workers is about as thorough as time allows. 125 a week is 6,500 a year, divided into the 23,000 dwellings is about 28% of the job done each year.

And those cops and soldiers aren't doing anything else - no traffic stops, no investigations, no catching speeders, thieves, or going to training, no deployments, nada. New day, new house, tear it up, dump everything, anger another taxpayer and trash their home.

Yeah, sure. They can't even keep up with people moving guns around the town. You see them coming and move the guns to the oldest boys house, after its nearly demolished you move them back. There is no possible way to find them all, and nobody to impose a curfew when they have to go home and sleep -

Do you now see why It's Not Going To Happen? In my metro alone it would take three and a half years of searching. The few who would even start doing it would quit after seeing angry faces, hate and discontent every working day they did it.

Do it faster? Then you have to accept that there will be exponentially more guns not found, and that defeats the purpose of the whole exercise. "They" can't find the guns sold openly in bad metro neighborhoods - how are they going to find them in miles and miles of suburbs where people can hide them cross town?

They aren't going to come knocking on your door. Anybody - liberal or gun nut - who suggests it isn't thinking it thru, which is very much the point. They are just trolling, either for political or personal hijinks. Door to door confiscation in a thorough and planned approach will be completely unsuccessful. There are too many guns and too many homes with too few people to do it. It's Not Going To Happen.
 
In my community, if it was ever attempted, I envision the cops coming to my door and asking

"Sir, do you have any firearms in your possession? We see you have a CC license, so we need to check if you own any newly banned guns." And the cop would be winking at me the entire time.

My response would be "No sir."

"Thank you for your time. Have a nice day."

There are more guns in my town than people. Door to door would never work in this country. As stated earlier, too many people, too many guns, too many homes, not enough people to enact such a ridiculous notion, and most importantly, not enough law enforcement officers that would actually enforce such a banned or confiscation. Sure some would, but many would go through the motions in order to say they did their job.
 
Add in the fact that they may encounter some folks "exercising" their 2A rights in an active way and it'd get even more challenging for them.
 
Not to mention that I know many, many people who will simply not cooperate with this. And I and also know many people who will use their guns in anger.
 
Guess you need to ask some one who live in a country where they have banned them, to figure out how they did it.

I suppose catching the ones that were hidden would be through sound. I guess you could never shoot them though....
 
Maybe the gov will enact very high taxes, slow food shipments and other measures designed to encourage people to turn in guns for food, medicine, electric, water or other needed goods. I put nothing past these government pukes.
 
It won't happen but it doesn't mean they can't do some other things and have the same effect. Pass the law, mandatory buy back like Australia, make a few examples out of some grandmas and watch the compliant citizens roll in. Once they get however million guns they can declare it a success and even if they don't get or don't plan to get them all (or even more than 25% or whatever the success rate was in Colorado) they just say as long as it saved one child then it was successful. In 2 or 3 generations noone will want to touch Grandpa's S&W M&P15 because it will be illegal to will or transfer to heirs and they will turn them in to .gov for melting. It will pop up in the local news every once a while when one is dug up in a yard and people will get a good chuckle at the thought that any of those antique assault weapons could stand a chance against Uncle Sam's laser rifles in the 40 watt range or against the roaming bears that sport PETA supplied bullet proof vests.

That is what gun confiscation will look like in this country.
 
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There's no need to go door to door. A more likely scenario is a labyrinth of laws, regulations, executive orders, et al. You could get busted at the range with a freshly prohibited configuration, in a traffic stop, packing for a trip to or through a sketchy neighborhood, for a call from your neighbors reporting a too loud argument and so much more.
As GBExpat and oneounceload pointed out, it's already part of the programming in government schools. Although it wouldn't make as tidy of a Gobbels-esque acronym, it would be a natural adjunct to the DARE program(s).
 
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I don't know anyone who believes there will be a massive door to door effort, at least as a preliminary enforcement move.
The antis are playing a long game and we aren't even through the first quarter yet.
UBC, Registration, Banning, Voluntary turn in, Reward for information, Penalties will all play a part in the gun control scheme before there is direct confiscation.
My concern is the gun owner who is anti NRA, holds to much faith in a tenuous majority of the Supreme Court and their decisions, thinks they can vote liberal issues and maintain gun ownership.
 
You are so sure they would never do it. If they do, you had better have a plan.

I also find the "No sir, no guns" and "Lost them in a boating accident" guys humorous. Ok, you tricked them into thinking you have no guns. Now if you are caught with one of your guns or someone bitter against you rats you out, your going to prison for a mandatory 10 years. And why even have them at that point? it's not like you can use them for recreational shooting or hunting, they are illegal. Why do you have them? If it's to protect you from the Gov, sorry.. You already bypassed that point when they came door asking for guns and you said you didn't have any. That was what you needed to protect against. The 2nd amendment.
 
Nobody has mentioned the people who will say "No" and start shooting the anti-constitution non oath keepers.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
If they were to go door to door, it wont be at the beginning, it will be towards the end, once they have things thinned out some, and they can formulate a plan of who to go after next, that will maximize bringing about more compliance with less work. They have all the time in the world, and its just to their benefit.

I also think the tough talk will quickly quiet, once it became obvious things were getting serious. Ive been through similar with a couple of things a lot less dramatic than whats being discussed here, and the tough guys were usually the first to pipe down when confronted, if they bothered showing up at all. Interesting enough, it was usually the little quiet "mousey" guys, that turned out to be the lions.

If someone were to show up in your driveway, with that in mind, and you thought there was going to be a negotiation and youre going to reason with them about "your rights", you already lost. You were doomed the second you didnt shoot them down in their cars before the first car door opened.

Another thing I find somewhat entertaining is, just look at the general "shape", and by that, I mean physical fitness level of many, if not most of those who you always see in public, who are vocal about things, and trying so hard to look intimidating. If you know them, and see them at the range, how, and how well do they shoot? Now picture putting them under a "little" stress in a confrontation thats going to require something more than talk and trying to look tough. I guess on the positive side, they will make good decoys and cover.


This is nothing new, and has been going on since long before most of us were even born. Its just progressing along, chug, chug, chug, and with nary a peep. As I said earlier, they have all the time in the world.

If we are truly in the majority, then why has the NFA of 34, GCA of 68, FOPA 86, etc, etc, been allowed to stand, and not voted to the trash, and those who push this stuff, thrown out of office, and held to that precious oath so many seem to think holds weight, and prosecuted? If someone can give an answer to that, Id sure like to hear it.
 
The point of the thread is to show the unmanageable task it would be to actually try to go door to door confiscating guns so we can stop saying they're going to go door to door to confiscate guns and to point out to the idiot antis that it isn't a workable notion regardless of how much they want to see it happen.
 
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You are so sure they would never do it. If they do, you had better have a plan.

I also find the "No sir, no guns" and "Lost them in a boating accident" guys humorous. Ok, you tricked them into thinking you have no guns. Now if you are caught with one of your guns or someone bitter against you rats you out, your going to prison for a mandatory 10 years. And why even have them at that point? it's not like you can use them for recreational shooting or hunting, they are illegal. Why do you have them? If it's to protect you from the Gov, sorry.. You already bypassed that point when they came door asking for guns and you said you didn't have any. That was what you needed to protect against. The 2nd amendment.
Uh, if they are being confiscated you can't use them in public anyway...and I sure as heck am not going to get into a gunfight when I am out-manned and out-gunned and probably caught by surprise (otherwise me and my guns would be somewhere else). The point of keeping them is to have them available to fight another day...on terms more favorable for us good guys.

Ok let's say they did try confiscation? They probably won't try to do it all at once with door-to-door searches...they simply don't have the resources. Rather it would be a phased approach, going after the people they KNOW have firearms first...and they've done a pretty good job of getting people to register themselves as gun owners already...how many of you have gleefully run down and signed up for government permission to carry or purchase? Guess who they would come after first?

Going after people like me who have never bothered registering themselves for permits and such wouldn't be much harder. I've made plenty of gun purchases from FFL dealers and had background checks run and I have used my credit/debit card for purchases of ammunition and accessories...not hard to identify me as a gun owner via data mining.

So now we come full circle...once they call for confiscation, do you really think I am going to attempt to hide what I have and then sit around waiting for them to come to my door so I can either hand over some token throwaways or give them some tale tale? Not hardly. I am either going to be long gone or I am going to meet them at a time and place of my choosing so that I can ensure that all my firearms are fully unloaded before they take them.

Frankly, by the time they ever get around to confiscation there won't be that many of us left with anything to confiscate. Their strategy is to whittle down our numbers through incrementalism...not only making it more difficult to legally and financially purchase, use or even retain possession of firearms, but culturally conditioning future generations that firearms are bad and not needed in civilized society. That is why it is so important to teach our kids and grandkids not only about firearms safety, but out things like freedom and liberty and their duty to protect them and pass down what they learned to their kids and grand kids. If you leave your kids and grandkids to be brainwashed by public education and the media...we have already lost and they won't ever have to confiscate anything...firearms will go the way of smoking and using the N-word...guaranteed.
 
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The searches would have to be done in mass and require HUGE amounts of manpower and there would be casualties. Massive civil disobedience would be the rule. Not going to happen.
 
Door to door confiscation will come at the end as stated.

They will call for an out right ban, which I'm willing to bet at least 95% of gun owners will comply. They'll say the usual " we'll win in the courts" line. By that time they'll be melted into rebar and that's what you'll get back!

They know coming to the doors will end in a bloody civil war. Making you an outlaw if you show up at the range or anywhere else with a gun will be easier to catch you. Offering rewards for turning in your neighbors or family members will be another tactic.

So no, they won't come to your door at first but they will come!
 
The point of the thread is to show the unmanageable task it would be to actually try to go door to door confiscating guns so we can stop saying they're going to go door to door to confiscate guns and to point out to the idiot antis that it isn't a workable notion regardless of how much they want to see it happen.


It also might keep pro-gun folks from believing it also and thus stop the panic buying and hoarding that is keeping ammo and reloading components scarce and expensive........;)


Just sayin'.
 
Why go door to door when they can . . .

- Legislate some or all firearms illegal for civilian ownership. Locate just a few who are ignoring the new laws and make an example of them.
- Tax the hell out of amm and/or firearms
- Ban the importation of small arms as a first step.
- Tax the hell out of US gun manufacturers.

And those are just the few I came up with in about 30 seconds. I'm sure smarter guys out there can come up with really creative ways to take guns away from the civilian population.
 
If they were to go door to door, it wont be at the beginning, it will be towards the end, once they have things thinned out some, and they can formulate a plan of who to go after next, that will maximize bringing about more compliance with less work. They have all the time in the world, and its just to their benefit.

I also think the tough talk will quickly quiet, once it became obvious things were getting serious. Ive been through similar with a couple of things a lot less dramatic than whats being discussed here, and the tough guys were usually the first to pipe down when confronted, if they bothered showing up at all. Interesting enough, it was usually the little quiet "mousey" guys, that turned out to be the lions.

If someone were to show up in your driveway, with that in mind, and you thought there was going to be a negotiation and youre going to reason with them about "your rights", you already lost. You were doomed the second you didnt shoot them down in their cars before the first car door opened.

Another thing I find somewhat entertaining is, just look at the general "shape", and by that, I mean physical fitness level of many, if not most of those who you always see in public, who are vocal about things, and trying so hard to look intimidating. If you know them, and see them at the range, how, and how well do they shoot? Now picture putting them under a "little" stress in a confrontation thats going to require something more than talk and trying to look tough. I guess on the positive side, they will make good decoys and cover.


This is nothing new, and has been going on since long before most of us were even born. Its just progressing along, chug, chug, chug, and with nary a peep. As I said earlier, they have all the time in the world.

If we are truly in the majority, then why has the NFA of 34, GCA of 68, FOPA 86, etc, etc, been allowed to stand, and not voted to the trash, and those who push this stuff, thrown out of office, and held to that precious oath so many seem to think holds weight, and prosecuted? If someone can give an answer to that, Id sure like to hear it.
It's because we were naive enough to believe the BS that these were all just reasonable steps to make our society safe from harm...that if we were "true" Americans we would find compromise, rather than being "extremists" and taking a hard line. We continue to hear the same BS today...and we keep compromising, rather than standing our ground...let alone reversing all of these ineffective gun laws that only serve to ensure the right of those who are too dangerous to own firearms to roam the streets free while the rest of us must comply with all the laws, rules and regulations that were put into place with the naive notion that those same criminals would obey them, when in fact they ignore them.
 
Yes I fear the American gun owner is like the story of the slow cooked frog. I only hope we wake and jump from the pot before we are cooked.
 
There are over 130 million homes in the US - and somebody keeps saying "they" are going to go door to door searching them for guns. It's The End Of The World As We Know It all over again.

Straw man. No one credible is saying that. Obviously you can always find one kook who supports anything.

Here is a dailykos poll which shows what extremely progressive liberals think of such an idea.

here is one, 91% of progressive dailykos liberals are against it
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

Here is an older one that shows 13290 people against, 2370 for a gun ban in 10 years. You can read the comments to see most of the liberals are against it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process
 
We are already cooked!

NO pro gun politicians are going to get on TV, internet... and back us up, EVER! They know it's political suicide, because they know they'll be targeted after the next mass shooting.

Anti gunners get all the air time they want and NO ONE stops them or calls them out on the extra B.S. they throw out while ranting away.

Right now the only thing keeping us afloat is that the Republicans are ruling. But this could change at anytime by voters.

What we need is high profile gun owners to step up and help out. By hiding and not helping, they hurt us more then Joe blow acting like a fool in front of the cameras.
 
I believe the intention of the Founding Fathers was to provide the citizens the opportunity to overthrow an out-of-control government, not to fight the armed forces of the nation. Defending the Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic" speaks to the heart of the matter. Tyranny is best dealt with directly.
 
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