Antique "firearms" and recent measures by Pres Obama

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As defined, a pre-1899 firearm is not even considered a "firearm", but is really an antique: "any firearm with a receiver actually made before Jan.
1, 1899 is legally "antique." and not considered a "firearm" under Federal law".

Source: http://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm

Is anything Obama is proposing going to affect that? Likewise, with black powder firearms?
 
That definition for Antique is written into law, he cannot change it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921
(16) The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
. (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
. (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.
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Given his recent EO's and memos, it demonstrates he's a lot more powerless than some would like to believe. An Omnipotent President who can strip us of our Rights makes a nice enemy to prop up.

Be advised since he can't even unilaterally ban guns at all, that his successor will be equally powerless to do so, OR IMPROVE THINGS.
 
Be advised since he can't even unilaterally ban guns at all, that his successor will be equally powerless to do so, OR IMPROVE THINGS.
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Almost. A new President could, in fact, improve some things by reversing Executive Orders from the past and removing certain trade restrictions on firearms.



Probably won't. But could.
 
Tirod said:
Given his recent EO's and memos, it demonstrates he's a lot more powerless than some would like to believe. An Omnipotent President who can strip us of our Rights makes a nice enemy to prop up.

Be advised since he can't even unilaterally ban guns at all, that his successor will be equally powerless to do so, OR IMPROVE THINGS.
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with the current congress, a new president could DRAMATICALLY improve things
 
with the current congress, a new president could DRAMATICALLY improve things
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While I am in hopeful agreement, I can't help but also consider that when it comes to opposing thier own party, this congress seems to have a lot more spine than when it comes to standing against teh opposition.
 
Don't know if it's King Obama's ideas or not but it's rumoured that BP rifle kits are now export controlled.
Note the Empire page dates from 2004. King Obama was crowned in 2009.
 
My concern is that if all guns are registered at sale, and the rest are registered when you take them in for repair or modifications. Aren't we being set up for confiscation?
 
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My concern is that if all guns are registered at sale, and the rest are registered when you take them in for repair or modifications. Aren't we being set up for confiscation?
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NO.

1. All guns are not registered at sale
2. The rest aren't registered when you take them in for repair
 
Tirod said:
Given his recent EO's and memos, it demonstrates he's a lot more powerless than some would like to believe. An Omnipotent President who can strip us of our Rights makes a nice enemy to prop up.

Be advised since he can't even unilaterally ban guns at all, that his successor will be equally powerless to do so, OR IMPROVE THINGS.
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Indeed it does make a nice enemy to prop up. Today a WHOLE lot of people on gun forums simply do not want to believe that Obama wasn't able to require background checks for all guns with the stroke of a pen.
 
Firearms are prohibited from being registered at the Federal level other than the NFA items. It would require an act of Congress to change that prohibition on registration. Of course that doesn’t mean that it is not being done illegally by some government agency.

But that prohibition is at the Federal level. A state can do whatever it wants to register firearms and/or owners.
 
There is a record when the gun is sold from an FFL. The Bound Book lists every gun by serial number, and where it was acquired, and to whom it was sold to. Every Bound Book lists every gun and who bought them. When an FFL closes down the Bound Book goes to the ATF digital records conversion to be uploaded to computer. A working FFL can have his books inspected by ATF, who are not supposed to copy information except relating to a working investigation...right.
So, YES, all guns are "registered" when purchased from an FFL. Sort of.

Obama's "Executive Actions" listed during his crybaby speech yesterday don't do ONE THING DIFFERENT than what was here last week, except telegraph that ATF will be cracking down on those people who are not FFLs but still buy and sell lots of guns under the table. Love it or hate it there is a law against that and we all have seen these people at gun shows, on Facebook, Armslist, etc.
 
When an FFL closes down the Bound Book goes to the ATF digital records conversion to be uploaded to computer.
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Only if the dealer closes up shop and surrenders his FFL prior to holding onto those records for 20 years.
 
you apparently are not paying attention to what he says and does, many things are written into law, yet he don't care about "LAW", he does what he damn well pleases himself.., e.g., the Constitution!

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Why do we keep saying things like this?

If he "does what he damn well pleases himself" then why are his Executive Actions completely impotent? Why has he not banned something? Why has he not confiscated some guns somewhere? Why has he not started registering some gun owners?

Why has he done NOTHING that he begged, pleaded, or promised to do to make gun control happen in the US?



Oh... because he can't? Because he IS bound by the law and the checks and balances of the U.S. Constitution? Hmmmm... could be.
 
you apparently are not paying attention to what he says and does, many things are written into law, yet he don't care about "LAW", he does what he damn well pleases himself.., e.g., the Constitution!
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Wat?
 
U.S. presidents have been pulling this nonsense since 1860. Lincoln did it. FDR did it. Harry Truman did it. LBJ did it. George W. did it. And Congress just keeps letting them do it. The Constitution is now just another piece of paper in a museum to our Govt.
 
Drail said:
U.S. presidents have been pulling this nonsense since 1860. Lincoln did it. FDR did it. Harry Truman did it. LBJ did it. George W. did it. And Congress just keeps letting them do it. The Constitution is now just another piece of paper in a museum to our Govt.
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Executive orders date back to George Washington. They just were called a memo back then. They started getting official numbers in 1907.
 
And these are Executive Actions, not Executive Orders, so ... more like a grocery list than orders of the President. :)
 
orpington said:
As defined, a pre-1899 firearm is not even considered a "firearm", but is really an antique: "any firearm with a receiver actually made before Jan.
1, 1899 is legally "antique." and not considered a "firearm" under Federal law".

Source: http://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm

Is anything Obama is proposing going to affect that? Likewise, with black powder firearms?
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Didn't the law used to read any gun over 100 years old. But they changed it to stop at 1900?
 
An incoming president could improve things. He simply tells the BATFE to re-prioritize and to focus on something else. Pretty much the same thing Obama has done with immigration. He then tells the attorney general to not prosecute gun crimes, unless it is something he considers serious (like the man who gave the San Bernardino terrorists firearms.)
 
Post #22: It never had anything to do with over 100 years old, nor did it ever stop at 1900. The Gun Control Act of 1968 defined an antique firearm (or, more correctly, an "antique", as it is not a firearm!) as one with a frame produced before 01 Jan 1899.
 
There is a record when the gun is sold from an FFL. The Bound Book lists every gun by serial number, and where it was acquired, and to whom it was sold to. Every Bound Book lists every gun and who bought them. When an FFL closes down the Bound Book goes to the ATF digital records conversion to be uploaded to computer. A working FFL can have his books inspected by ATF, who are not supposed to copy information except relating to a working investigation...right.
So, YES, all guns are "registered" when purchased from an FFL. Sort of.
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In fact, the ATF openly acknowledges that it has collected "several hundred million" dealer records since 1968 -

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/pr/national-tracing-center-ntc

There were approximately 100 million guns in circulation in 1968, and now the number is estimated to be around 300 million.... it's interesting that the ATF has collected "several" hundred million records.
 
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