Before putting a bullet into the shell casing....

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I'm wondering if this is something that I always do is really necessary, or just me being paranoid.

I never put a bullet into a shell casing until I have looked and seen for myself that there is powder there, and that it looks the same as all the other shells I've been loading. (Never is still never, even if the case made it past the "lockout die".)

I was recently asked by someone why I did that - what can go wrong? I didn't really have an answer. To me, anything CAN go wrong, and I just don't feel comfortable without doing this final check. Twice, in many years, I has found problems - both my fault. That's enough of a reason, so that I'll probably continue visibly checking, even if it's not needed.


So, is this something that the rest of you naturally do, or is it just me being paranoid?
 
I load single stage in batches, so it's easy to look over the batch with a flashlight and check for powder levels. With this set up, it comes naturally.

But I'm not sure if you can do that with progressives and fast buring powders since the charge is so small.
 
I have only been reloading for around 2 yrs, but i check every case visually. With pistol i use BE 86 that makes a double charge very obvious in 9mm or 40cal as well,

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After charging the cases with powder, all lined up on the table, I stop everything, and check for uniform powder levels in each and every case. IMHO, powder charge and seating depth are the two most critical aspects as far as safety is concerned. I will take a few seconds to verify my work.
 
I've ALWAYS glanced at the case before seating a bullet. It's interesting how I'm always reading about reloading "adventures" & accidents but I've never had one myself in 45 years of loading.

Caution is not paranoia.
 
I see every charge I seat a bullet over. It makes me all cozy inside.

You have been reloading so long, why question that now?
 
I pretty much load only long range precision rounds these days and I weigh every cartridge after powder loading. Every powder load must be +- 0.04gr of the target weight.
 
I began hand loading in 1972 on a Lee Progressive. My first loads were 44 Remington Magnum. Not very wise I managed to load a few without powder. This did not look so good at the range as I beat bullets back into the cases on my S&W Model 29. :)

Since that very first screw up I have checked every case. It obviously can't hurt to check and double check.

Ron
 
I've been doing that for over 40 years. Never a double charge, never a squib.
 
I've ALWAYS glanced at the case before seating a bullet. It's interesting how I'm always reading about reloading "adventures" & accidents but I've never had one myself in 45 years of loading.
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Caution is not paranoia.

Same as Shag, only I've only been handloading for a little over 40 years. I found one of those old style desk lamps with a flexible neck in a trash pile when I first started handloading. A little epoxy, and then I mounted it to the back of my bench. It's easy to reach up and bend that lamp down so that I can peer into each, individual cartridge case.

BTW, all the cases in my red cartridge case block are charged. All uncharged cases are in my yellow blocks. Those two rules at my loading bench may or may not have saved me from a double charge of Bullseye at one time or another. We'll never know.;)
 
I load a lot of 38 with hp38. Its a tall case and a little strenuous to visually check every case with how I have my press height. I do keep an eye on the autodisk to make sure it fully actuates each throw. Things going wrong are usually very easy to feel on a lee turret press.

I have loaded many tens of thousands with great success. I have had one squib which I attribute to being too careful and breaking my habit of trusting my powder measure. I was taking the case off the press and weighing each powder charge. the very last powder charge of the reloading session didnt make it's way into the case and I found it sitting on the scale back home after sticking a 230gr cast 300blk bullet an inch down the barrel.

Generally a squib is extremely easy to notice and they wont cycle the action of a semi auto so you would have to manually cycle another round to be in any danger. Make a habit of checking your bore for obstructions every time you have a failure of any sort at the range.

Where you want to be careful is if you are shooting off a revolver as fast as you can pull the trigger. If you miss a powder charge, the bullet may have enough force to completely clear the cylinder allowing another round to be set off behind it if you aren't fast on the brakes. This is where you can get into trouble.
 
I load on a progressive, and I look into the case every time. Its the reason I dont use a bullet feeder. Im a little slower but I dont worry about squibs at a match or even in practice. I even have a light over the seating station to make it easy.

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If ... I don't ... ran a progressive press ... I would mount a web camera(with a LED light) so that I could look down into each case as it passes by ... cameras are cheap and can be attached to tablets/ipods and then you could have a visual without having to move to see into the case with the eye ....
 
I see every charge I seat a bullet over. It makes me all cozy inside.

You have been reloading so long, why question that now?


It's complicated. First, I very much want someone else I know to read this thread, to make it 100% certain that he will do this properly, regardless of whether he thinks it's necessary.

Second, I feel the way you do, but for me, I'd replace "warm and cozy" with "confident".

Third, I like the idea of turning myself into a "robot", doing the exact same things over and over, without needing to think about, or remember, to do them. I want it all to be "automatic" and only stop when something goes "wrong". At the end of loading 50, or 100 rounds, I don't want the nagging feeling of "am I sure I checked every shell"? Once it becomes sort of automated, I will know I did just that.

Last, if the person I have in mind still doesn't see the need to do this, maybe others are in the same boat, and maybe some of them will all start checking every load.


I did write "That's enough of a reason, so that I'll probably continue visibly checking, even if it's not needed." I guess in hindsight, I should have left off the word "probably". I didn't really expect you guys to tell me I was just being paranoid, but I've been wrong about so many things already. And if you guys had told me I was being paranoid, I'd probably keep right on doing it, if for no other reason, than for what 'Walkalong' just wrote.



There is so much going on with a turret press, and from what I've learned so far, if *anything* feels different in any way, I stop whatever I'm doing, and figure out what or why. For me, checking for powder is as "routine" as inserting a primer, or placing a bullet onto the shell casing.
 
Same here. I use a Lee Classic Turret, and check EVERY case for powder before the bullet goes in. Just am more comfortable knowing I don't have empty or double-charged cases. Never had a squib or FTF.

Better safe than sorry, IMHO.
 
I first want to load a powder that more than half fills the case to avoid the possibility of a double charge. I too look into every case mouth to make sure there's powder in the case before seating a bullet. Another thing I always check is that primers are seated usually below flush. Doesn't take very little time to do the check. I take a straight edge, usually my caliper and put it across the case head then hold it up to my bench light. I'm looking for a little slit of light between the straight edge and the primer. Knock on wood, I've only had one misfire in 30 or so years and it was due to a high primer. And get this, a stranger at the range asked if he could shoot my pistol and it misfired. I tried it a second time and it fired. Checked the entire lot and found a couple other high primers in the 50 round box. Won't happen again, a high primer. I also do a triple check on using the correct powder. I've seen several posts in just the last couple years where a gun exploded from using the wrong powder. Plus companies are making bottles and labels that look very similar today. Need to read the powder numbers.
 
(Never is still never, even if the case made it past the "lockout die".)
I think the obvious question then, should be, if you're going to look into each case, why have the lock-out die hogging up a station?
 
Early on in my start of reloading, I would check every drop. Then I switched the disk for a charge bar on the Lee auto disk. By then I wasn't looking at every drop. Had some light drops of Titegroup, which resulted in a couple of squibs. Went back to 100% checks.

Fast forward the the Lee auto-drum. Even with the drum being more consistent, I still check each case.

Reefinmike, I agree, 38 Spl. with some powders are hard to see. Even with the LED light, I usually have to tilt the case forward to get a good look.
 
I think the obvious question then, should be, if you're going to look into each case, why have the lock-out die hogging up a station?

The lockout die is to verify that all is well, and the bullets don't have a double charge, or no charge. With it, the "system" is complete.

Looking at the powder level before placing a bullet on an shell casing is to make ME feel better.

(I also look at all the bullets as I am placing them in the plastic storage boxes, to make sure I don't see anything unusual, and feel the bottoms of the bullets after they're in the box, to verify that the primers are all seated.)

(...and having already bought the lockout die, I wanted to see how well it worked, and learn how to adjust and use it, and now that I've done all that, why not keep it in the press, rather than have an empty station? At some point in time, I'll probably remove it, and change things so I have a crimp station after the seating station. I agree with you, and by this time next year, I expect it will be sitting in the box it came in. :) )
 
I started reloading in 1969. In 1970 I had a squib (being pre web, I was confused about what happened). Since then, I look in every charged case to make sure there is powder inside and not a double charge. Paranoid? Mebbe. Safe? You betcha!...:cool:
 
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